Comments on: Will Williams meets William Finck /2013/01/22/will-williams-meets-william-finck/ Whites Talking to Whites About White Interests Tue, 15 Apr 2014 21:47:02 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=5.0.22 By: Carolyn /2013/01/22/will-williams-meets-william-finck/#comment-9002 Sun, 03 Feb 2013 04:32:20 +0000 /?p=3156#comment-9002 Thanks Carl. I really enjoyed it too. Bill was in top form, I thought. He had me believing. 🙂

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By: Carl /2013/01/22/will-williams-meets-william-finck/#comment-8992 Sun, 03 Feb 2013 03:22:32 +0000 /?p=3156#comment-8992 I just wanted to say that the discussion tonight (Feb 2) on Christogenea was fascinating and educational. Thank you for your efforts. It relates to this thread so I thought I’d thank you here.

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By: Fallout Shelter 7 /2013/01/22/will-williams-meets-william-finck/#comment-8063 Tue, 29 Jan 2013 17:27:16 +0000 /?p=3156#comment-8063 Great show Carolyn.I really enjoyed your two guests.I hope you have them on again sometime.

I have tried numerous times to comment on this episode,but I end up ranting and lecturing about the origins, horrors and prophesies of Christianity and the bible.

So I will just say that I don’t think Christianity belongs in the White Nationalist movement.Even if we rewrite the bible,make Jesus a White man and replace “Greater Israel” with an Aryan promised land.The bible does not fit in with the survival of our race.

The bible is Jewish Nationalism,judaised astrotheology and judaised paganism.It is an alien religion.It is not for the White man.

White people had their own religions and Gods until the Christians killed them. As a White Nationalist,I believe we should rediscover our pagan religions and our pagan Gods. Otherwise our white nations will not be fully realized,but be forever judaised.

I have tried to E-mail you many times Carolyn at @carolynyeager.com and @carolynyeager.net but I cannot connect to you for some reason.

You are doing excellent work Carolyn.Keep it up.

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By: Carl /2013/01/22/will-williams-meets-william-finck/#comment-7639 Sun, 27 Jan 2013 19:17:41 +0000 /?p=3156#comment-7639 Questions that can be adapted for a special show:

Most students of ancient literature are not accustomed to considering that it was written by White people. Can you give us an overview of ancient literature with a view to clarifying its authorship?

Are any non-White essays of use to us?

You say that some essential ideas for our race are found in the literature that turns out to be ours. Are there ideas that are incorrect as well?

Many people assume that the area in northern Africa and the middle east were not White, but swarthy. What can you tell us about White population movements over time? Why should we believe that those areas were places where we lived?

Interpreting the Bible through a racial lens seems novel. Why should we do that, and why should we trust your methods?

Why can’t we believe in creation itself and bypass any ideas that require belief, or examination of the unseen?

Religion usually involves some kind of beliefs, including a narrative about things we cannot directly verify. Can you tell us what you believe happened to bring us, and other people, about, and what God’s purpose must be? What is the point of it all? And what if Whites don’t agree about the narrative?

Which came first: Christianity or morality?

Why racialize Christianity? Wouldn’t it be better to focus on what Whites can all agree on?

What has been the Jewish influence on the self-knowledge of White people, especially in the area of religion?

Introduce us to the Bible, especially for those of us, such as Voltaire, who regard it as unreliable history, superstition, risible, and hopelessly murky.

How can we think intelligently about how God regards race? Why must we think about it at all?

Discuss for us the best way to reason about the religious stances of various famous leaders, such as Hitler, Jefferson, Lincoln, or any other non-Jewish notable. We always seem to get stuck on what we mean by “Christianity”.

You recently said that a principal idea in our racial literature is transcendence. How is this idea distorted by Jews and other non-Whites? How should we integrate the idea of transcendence into our thinking?

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By: Carl /2013/01/22/will-williams-meets-william-finck/#comment-7513 Sun, 27 Jan 2013 05:17:26 +0000 /?p=3156#comment-7513 Incidentally I don’t mean to sell you short! You may be braver than I. I was once a little bit brave. A negro was yelling at an elderly White woman in a parking lot, claiming a dinged fender incident. I wandered over to see if I might be of any use toward sanity. The negro was unsuccessful in its (sorry, I refer to them as “its” where possible” lol!) attempt to extract [more] money from the White (beyond the political extractions, that is). But the negro was then locomoting around a store, using a cell phone. I am certain that the intent was to call in an air strike. This is what negroes do now. When they feel hurt, they phone their coracialists and see if a group response might be possible to organize.

I think asking Mr. Finck about faith would be a very good idea. For example, what exactly are we supposed to have faith in? I think that the answer from CI is that we have been punished by not being aware of our true identity. We were to forget our identity for many centuries. I mean, God could just make the whole thing bloody obvious, but that wouldn’t be much of a test for us, after our sins of race-mixing early on. Basically what God wants is for us to “come out of her, my people”, meaning out of the non-Adamite people. And of course we refuse. We trade short-term benefits and ignore long-term costs.

If you are suspicious about Paul/Saul, you would be interested in Mr. Finck’s current series about the “Paul bashers”.

My opinion is that, if it is true, CI is the last stage of waking up. First you realize that we don’t really enjoy self-determination as a people any more. Well, first you realize that the government doesn’t behave reasonably. Then you start to see through conspiracies, which leads you to “who” questions. From there you can see that the “who” questions apply to many other situations, and you become Jew/racially aware. Eventually you see that the “who” questions point right back to you, and who you are. That’s CI. If it’s true. I am impressed by the solidity of the research and the completeness of the viewpoint. Keep in mind that White people long held the Bible in high esteem. It’s only recently, with a lot of coincidental Jewish influence, that Whites have the notion that maybe it’s just a lot of superstition.

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By: Hadding /2013/01/22/will-williams-meets-william-finck/#comment-7508 Sun, 27 Jan 2013 04:53:55 +0000 /?p=3156#comment-7508 No, Voltaire was not a Jew. Nobody claims that.

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By: Carl /2013/01/22/will-williams-meets-william-finck/#comment-7482 Sun, 27 Jan 2013 01:53:39 +0000 /?p=3156#comment-7482 Voltaire may have been just another Jew, toying with White things. His historical criticism, that I see from your link, includes the idea that Pharaoh had no horses after the plague on livestock; but there would have been an interval, and governments always figure out how to get more armaments and such. Faith is certainly difficult, even today. Even having faith in our race is difficult. For example, when you see a beautiful Aryan woman calmly standing in a food store line with her pet negro, do you say anything? Even despite the examples of past warriors, even despite valhalla, even despite the ample belief in transcendence our race has always embraced, do you say anything? Nor do I. We are unwilling to risk a confrontation, despite witnessing another impending disaster. So it’s a lack of faith. Early Christians were being thrown to the lions. They needed faith to believe.

And our helplessness in seeing the locusts devour our land and children is amply projected in the unreliable Old Testament.

It might be a good idea to outline twenty questions for Mr. Finck, and see if he will agree to come on and answer them, perhaps in a special program titled “Christian Identity: Useful Paradigm, Wishful Thinking, or Irrelevant Mischief?”

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By: Hadding /2013/01/22/will-williams-meets-william-finck/#comment-7399 Sat, 26 Jan 2013 17:54:25 +0000 /?p=3156#comment-7399

I liked it when Mister Finck said that many people are christian without realizing it.

Yes, he said that Hadding might be a good Christian, which would be a big surprise to me, since I totally distrust the Bible. I think that a man named Jesus may have lived, and he may have been crucified because of Jewish agitation, but I doubt that all the alleged details of his life and all the words attributed to him in the Gospels are accurate, and I definitely am suspicious of Saul-Paul’s motives. The Old Testament for various reasons has even less credibility as an historical record. I agree with Voltaire, who found the Old Testament non-credible as history and the heroes of that storybook not even particularly admirable. http://national-socialist-worldview.blogspot.com/2010/10/voltaire-on-history-of-jews.html I also agree with Schopenhauer, that Christian doctrine carries a heavy influence from Platonism (and its derivatives like Stoicism).

If I can be “a good Christian” despite thinking that way, then obviously Hitler could be one too. It was always my understanding that the New Testament contained some demand for faith in certain claims (not just living in a way that is consistent with the widespread form of morality that Christianity happens to share), but maybe I was wrong about that….

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By: Alexander from Flanders /2013/01/22/will-williams-meets-william-finck/#comment-7265 Sat, 26 Jan 2013 06:34:35 +0000 /?p=3156#comment-7265 It is rather sad to see that religion is the cause of so many problems within the movement (wathever you want to call it). Things always get heated whenever religion comes up.

I personally HATE the church (the institution). Yet; I like William Finck, and I have respect for him and for what he is trying to do. Isn’t that strange? I liked it when Mister Finck said that many people are christian without realizing it. And that the rituals are basically not christian. I really like that.

As a young teen I was heavily involved in the black metal movement (during the 90’s, and I still listen to the music). The more I learned of what the church had done in Europe through the centuries…the more I hated them. I also became a serious racialist at that time.

Today I can deal with “racial christians” (if they can respect my beliefs, and accept the fact that I will not join their religion, not ever), but I despise the average -zombie- christian. I don’t know if that makes any sense, but there you have it.

I also want to say that I’m part German, and that even my Flemish family was heavily involved with NS during WW2. Now my Flemish grandmother (almost 90 years old), who was a nurse in Germany (she had to clean up after the bombardments, worked with wounded soldiers, her German partner died in combat: lot’s of interesting stories in my family), she has the same attitude towards christianity as Mister Finck when it comes to the rituals. She hates the organized church, and she always says that those priest guys know nothing.

PS. Here is a link to a organisation in my country that studies our ancient pre-christian beliefs and traditions:

http://www.hagal.be

Here is German group:

http://asatru.de/nz/

Here are some English articles from Asatru:

http://asatru.de/nz/index.php?option=com_content&view=category&id=4&Itemid=22

Here is a site of a famous black metal artiest and his interesting views:

http://www.burzum.org/eng/news.shtml

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By: Carl /2013/01/22/will-williams-meets-william-finck/#comment-7234 Sat, 26 Jan 2013 02:46:27 +0000 /?p=3156#comment-7234 In the 25 Jan Christogenea show, “Transcending Materialism”, based on an interview regarding this article, Mr. Finck went into some detail about the various classical religions which were White, and later perverted by the other races after race-mixing occurred. So for example, Buddha was an Aryan. CI is akin to a detective work, unraveling the mysteries of accretion and misdirection. To the extent that the classical literatures were White, then they signal something about our nature, that we can take seriously. The fundamental idea is transcendence. Warrior creeds, druids, wizards, Greek priests, valhalla, and lots of other things embodied our true nature. The 1400-year period of Christianity was an expression of this, although of course with interference. In other words the objective is to unravel the truth about our origins and nature. To say that it amounts to mental gymnastics would be like saying, of a murder committed 50 years ago, that unraveling the facts and lies is unimportant if everyone has accepted the common story. CI says no, we must get to the truth of the matter. The Jews distort transcendence and promote ugly materialism, because they have no spiritual future. Aryans are forever. They have always believed in transcendence. Oddly, thanks to the distortions wrought by the Jews, Whites now believe that non-Whites have the best understanding of transcendence!

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