Comments on: Questioning and separating the real from the fake /2013/04/27/questioning-and-separating-the-real-from-the-fake/ Whites Talking to Whites About White Interests Tue, 15 Apr 2014 21:47:02 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=5.0.22 By: Lurker /2013/04/27/questioning-and-separating-the-real-from-the-fake/#comment-24627 Sat, 04 May 2013 05:00:09 +0000 /?p=4242#comment-24627 Fake events, manipulated imagery and the rest are useless [unless] one controls the way in which they are interpreted and consumed by the target audience. Its all about the good old narrative. Thats the most important part, so manipulating the raw material is less significant than manipulating the finished product.

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By: fnn /2013/04/27/questioning-and-separating-the-real-from-the-fake/#comment-24422 Thu, 02 May 2013 16:38:51 +0000 /?p=4242#comment-24422 Sorry, forgot the links:

http://www.prb.org/Publications/PopulationBulletins/2011/world%20at%207%20billion%20part%205.aspx?p=1

http://www.berlin-institut.org/publications/discussion-paper/unequal-neighbours.html

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By: fnn /2013/04/27/questioning-and-separating-the-real-from-the-fake/#comment-24420 Thu, 02 May 2013 16:35:17 +0000 /?p=4242#comment-24420 Germany has had a serious fertility problem for a long time:

…In 1964, births exceeded deaths by 486,985, the highest postwar surplus. By 1972, deaths in Germany exceeded births by 64,032, and deaths have surpassed births every year since. In 2010, the difference between births and deaths stood at -180,833. Only a positive balance of net immigration has forestalled a much more rapid population decline.

Luckily, the BRD is not as as attractive to immigrants as France.

The neighbouring countries also differ when it comes to migration: France has been recording net immigration of maximum 200,000 people for the last 40 years. Germany’s migration figures, on the contrary, exhibit considerable upward deflections: in times of the guest worker immigration, but also after the end of the Cold War, when around three million ethnic Germans from the former Soviet Union, and in consequence of the Yugoslavia War, numerous refugees entered the country. Meanwhile, however, the attractiveness of Germany as an immigration country has declined considerably. In 2008, statisticians observed net immigration of a mere 4,800 people. That same year, France welcomed 67,000 immigrants, mostly North Africans, who reunited with their families in Europe. In France, both nationals and foreigners have more children than their respective counterparts in Germany.

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By: Carolyn /2013/04/27/questioning-and-separating-the-real-from-the-fake/#comment-24162 Tue, 30 Apr 2013 15:28:32 +0000 /?p=4242#comment-24162 Margel – Willy Wenger replied to your question that “many years ago” he saw a photo of a gun like that in use during wartime and he “believed it was called Kalashnikov, but it was probable my mistake. So please forgive me, in any case that weapon” [in the photo he saw] “looks quite as those Russian soldiers used with the typical round magazine, when attacking in Berlin.”

Thanks for your sharp attention. I’ll make a note about it in the article.

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By: Carolyn /2013/04/27/questioning-and-separating-the-real-from-the-fake/#comment-24072 Mon, 29 Apr 2013 20:58:20 +0000 /?p=4242#comment-24072 margel – It was no doubt an automatic rifle that Wenger called a Kalashnikov because people identify with that name. But I have asked him.

Wikipedia says:

The Soviet Union had returned to the development of an assault rifle in 1942 when the need for an intermediate-powered rifle became clearly evident. By that time submachine guns were already in widespread use but they could not replace service rifles because of limited power of pistol cartridges. Like the Germans, the Soviets designed an intermediate cartridge that could be made on existing production lines (despite Vladimir Fyodorov’s insistence on a special small-calibre cartridge). The work on the weapons for the new ammunition commenced in 1943, with the AK-47 of Mikhail Kalashnikov, the SKS-45 of Sergei Simonov and the RPD of Vasily Degtyaryov emerging as the victors.

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By: margel /2013/04/27/questioning-and-separating-the-real-from-the-fake/#comment-24049 Mon, 29 Apr 2013 15:48:28 +0000 /?p=4242#comment-24049 Hi Carlyn,
Toward the end of the show you read something which has a small inaccuracy. In the reading you said something about Russian soldiers with Kalashnikov. Well, Kalashnikov (AK – 47) came into existence in 1947 and there were NO Russian troops with that kind of gun at the time, because the gun did not exists.
Please correct me if I am wrong. This is a small detail but crucial to the accuracy of what you read.

Thanks,

Margel.

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By: Martin /2013/04/27/questioning-and-separating-the-real-from-the-fake/#comment-24018 Mon, 29 Apr 2013 10:53:51 +0000 /?p=4242#comment-24018 I’m not denying the use of actors. I’m saying that a blend of techniques is used. For example, the supposed victims’ families are played by people in the pay of the Department of Defence, DHS, diplomatic service (via NATO in some cases), the World Bank and NGOs like Amnesty International, who are simply acting out a drama for the international news media. However, some of the crowd/marathon scenes may have been digitally constructed.

It’s a challenge working out the exact modus operandi. I understand the Rome riots, a couple of years ago, coincided with a drill near the finishing line of the marathon there. Drills on the day are characterised by:

* The cellphone network going down
* The end of the marathon re-diverted for 10 minutes or so
* As with Hungerford and the Toulouse school shootings, nearby pedestrians hear shots or firecrackers going off (in the sealed off area)…and later see the news reports, so assume the official story is authentic
* After rediversion, the police/DHS check each civilian’s cellphone before they are allowed out of the enclosed area

This ensures that no civilian is able to take photographic images in the area of the drill that may conflict with the bogus, manipulated press images, and indicate foul play. It also provides some continuity so that the runners are able to accept the official account. Nobody is able to PROVE government involvement, even if they suspect it.

As for ‘Baumann,’ you put it well. Whoever he is, he should have died from those injuries within a minute or so, and there was no blood trail. The real giveaways are right in your face, in plain view. However, all the claims of Baumann being the actor are unnecessarily confusing, and unsubstantiated. Nobody knows where these claims originate from. It needlessly muddles the debate. He possibly WAS an actor, but not necessarily Baumann. Either way, it was a bogus casualty portrayed to the general public as real.

With the hospitals, all they need is a few closed off, restricted wards, which the executive board has arranged for. Perhaps actors with existing injuries are enlisted, to stay at the hospital for a while? There is no need for all the hospital staff to be insiders, but a lot of them must have worked out something fishy is going on by now. Maybe they keep quiet because of their careers? Or maybe they are so horrified by what they have found, they feel powerless, and disgusted into defeat?

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By: Carolyn /2013/04/27/questioning-and-separating-the-real-from-the-fake/#comment-23951 Sun, 28 Apr 2013 23:53:23 +0000 /?p=4242#comment-23951 I really thank you for the comments, Martin.

I have a very hard time explaining the 14 people who are said to have lost a limb from this bomb blast. I have seen pictures or video clips of three of them in hospital beds, talking to reporters, etc. (I don’t have TV so only see a small part of all the coverage.) They have friends and family that would all have to be invented in this cgi world. Seems impossible to do. There are doctors and hospitals giving reports on their condition. If they were not in those hospitals, someone would figure it out.

Also, it is never explained how the real people at the real Boston Marathon did not experience an explosion, etc. but then watched it on their TV news. Is the BM not to have actually taken place?

I can understand the use of PSYOPs for a lot of purposes, but to create a total event with thousands of people involved, completely out of cgi’s, is out of the realm of possibility, imo. But this seems like what you are saying.

At the same time, I cannot believe this Jeff Baumann would still be alive after a couple minutes (or less) without a tourniquet. In the photos (maybe taken from video camera? — and who is taking these pics anyway?) he is laying on the ground unattended, and no blood is pouring out of his leg at all, as it should be. Or does the blood just trickle out when the femoral artery is cut. There is no smoke in this picture. Also, the skin on that leg with the bone sticking out makes a kind of a clean flap — very strange, not what one would expect. It’s just amazing that the people standing around are just ignoring him, not rushing to help. I would like to know the timing of the photo where he is alone, looking like he might be unconscious or still not aware of what happened, and the other pictures where a woman and another man are tangled up with him. They might be trying to give him assistance and the other fellow might be applying a tourniquet, but it’s impossible to tell. The next time we see him, he is being rolled down the street in a wheelchair, awake. But there are no time stamps on these pictures. More needs to be said about this one person, but the posters at Clues Forum are not up to the job, it seems.

I see the questions being asked, creating doubt, but unfortunately no satisfactory answers are given. If Jeff Baumann is all cgi, why didn’t they make his facebook pics look more like the JB at the Boston Marathon?

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By: Martin /2013/04/27/questioning-and-separating-the-real-from-the-fake/#comment-23940 Sun, 28 Apr 2013 22:51:32 +0000 /?p=4242#comment-23940 Oh yes, one other thing.

The US military shills are pushing the idea of ‘actors.’ In this case, the now famous claim that our dodgy wheelchair victim was in fact Jeff Baumann, appeared out of nowhere suspiciously quickly after the supposed blast.

In the past, actors were used. Now, digitally created CGI characters can be utilised in place of actors. Presently, the US military will push the idea of actors to distract from the following:

* Life-like graphic characters (even moving images) can be created for these events
* PSYOPs can be filmed partly or fully in a TV studio, on another day, even in another country, from where the drill and fake attack appears to take place. Green-screen and high level special effects are used
* The specific actor theory (i.e. Jeff Baumann) can later be totally debunked by the government shills who created the theory, which then discredits those ‘conspiracy researchers’ who latched onto it

I believe these techniques originate from COINTELPRO or its successor, which Alex Jones is also part of.

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By: Carolyn /2013/04/27/questioning-and-separating-the-real-from-the-fake/#comment-23938 Sun, 28 Apr 2013 22:37:54 +0000 /?p=4242#comment-23938

I really don’t know what it is going to take for his donors to finally wake up and see Weber is just a conman, seeking money to pay his child support and a comfy salary,

Weber did some good work at one time and has been living off that reputation, and his getting control of the Board at IHR, for far too long now. He has become a joke. We are not in a position where we can afford to tolerate people like him. Let him go to the poorhouse! I believe the jews love having him there — so maybe they helped put him there! He and David Irving are both afraid of the Jews.

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