Absolute rubbish. What an ignorant statement. This man obviously has no clue that Christianity was originally about race. Hence, the Christian Byzantine Empire’s policy against Jews and the fact that there was never a thought about preaching to those who weren’t White.

Armed revolution is of course a dangerous topic. I know. But how else do you stop evil? With flowers and a song? I don’t think so.

George Lincoln Rockwell: Violence won’t work.
The options are:
1. Organize White people for their racial interests and collective survival the best we can under the present circumstances.
2. Wait for the current system to collapse.

These are not mutually exclusive options. I am not so sure that the system will collapse, since people have been predicting that for many decades now, but in any case we can organize.

I agree that the US is evil. In the last 150 years America has taken a stand again and again against the interests of White people (both World Wars, Lincoln’s war of agression). I truly believe that if America had not invaded Europe (twice!), our history would look very different today.

Armed revolution is of course a dangerous topic. I know. But how else do you stop evil? With flowers and a song? I don’t think so. I believe a storm is building up in the West…
I think we indeed need a revolution.

I do not understand why Mister Campbell is together with a non white woman. That makes no sense at all to me. I call that race treason.

I did get very angry when the guest so disrespectfully talked about Dr. Pierce. That was a low and dirty thing to do.

When I was a “punk” of 14-15 years old in the 90’s, even I all the way in Europe, knew of Dr. William Pierce. I often dreamed of joining him and his movement. This was before the internet, and I never was never able to contact him. I discovered his books, radio shows and articles after his passing, and I can say that he had an enormous influence on me (and many others all around the world). I just wanted to say that.

Maybe he or she can. Your memory and mine are so divergent that about all that they can establish at this point is that the event did in fact take place. If I can find that 20-year old National Alliance BULLETIN wherein Dr. Pierce reported on the LA organizational gathering, there will be a factual summary of what happened as well as an accurate chronology of my entire west coast tour. But, then, of course, you’ll just say Dr. Pierce was lying again. Dr. Pierce didn’t lie, especially to Alliance members who were at the various events and would read his report of them in their snail-mailed monthly Member BULLETINS.

Bruce: The Christians present knew my position on their faith but were willing to be part of Pierce’s group, to which I was just a part-time helper.
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I see. Those True Israelite friends of yours were most certainly not Alliance members. They were guests, invited by you, even though they knew your position on their faith: that it was “insane.” I was their host, and, yes, you were my helper.

When these particular guests decided to put a turd in the punchbowl and pee in the potato salad, I let them know in no uncertain terms that they were to keep their goddamned mouths shut, or leave. It was not their decision to make to “join with our group.” We didn’t need their $10 per month. Had they applied to join after I’d witnessed their disruptive behavior, their applications would have been declined on my recommendation. That’s the way it worked.

I was under the impression then and since that you had actually joined our Alliance prior to the get-together. I’m surprised to see you say you weren’t.

BC: I was trying to do something else, which was to create an actual paramilitary resistance to the feds. Pierce informed me that I would get no help from him in that effort. Our paths diverged on that day.
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That sounds exactly like what Dr. Pierce would have said if asked to help you build a paramilitary militia resistance. How’d that work out? Carolyn’s guest on 11 May could tell you exactly how declaring war on JOG worked out for him and his paramilitary White Patriot Party, and it was perfectly legal.

This will be my final comment in this thread. Frank White copied this discussion, and it and your interview with Carolyn are featured at this new forum which is mostly made up of a slew of former VNNers:
http://whitenations.com/forums/showthread.php?t=388

Bruce, you are invited to continue our dialog there. I’d especially like to see some of the unqualified “accurate” stuff about me from Covington that you mentioned above. Your Mr.Covington says “Brad Davis” wrote this expose of me and Dr. Pierce and our Alliance:
http://www.whitenationalist.org/forum/showthread.php?t=247 Honest Hadding investigated that piece and “Brad Davis” here: http://noncounterproductive.blogspot.com/2010/08/brief-history-analyzed-according-to-its.html The reader can draw his own conclusion as to the accuracy of Hadding’s investigation compared to the claims of your Mr. Covington aka “Brad Davis.”

Thank you again, and again, and again for the thankless work you do, Hadding, setting the record straight.

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You wrote: All Williams could talk about the entire time he was at the house was how he wanted to kill Harold Covington, who had written what I now consider to be very accurate things about Williams…

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Please name just one thing Covington has ever written about me that you now consider very accurate. Just one. You know it’s not for nothing that your accurate source owes me $230,000+. I remember how you said later that you believed what Covington wrote about me, like in this fake AP article of his claiming I had been a “deep cover FBI Special Agent” and “John Doe #2,” Tim McVeigh’s handler: http://www.zundelsite.org/english/zgrams/zg1999/zg9906/990613.html Who else is still fooled by Covington’s mendacious smears besides you? Which is it, Bruce, CIA or FBI?

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You wrote: what an unpleasant thing it was, with this ex-SF lunatic getting up and grinning at the Christians present, asking them why they kept worshiping “that Jew on a stick?”
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I never said that. Your version of the event is fantastic with the quotation marks, and everything, but far from accurate. Twice now you’ve claimed I screwed up a San Francisco Alliance meeting, yet there never was a San Francisco meeting that I had anything to do with. The Las Vegas gathering was held after our LA meeting, so how could Dr. Pierce have possibly told you the same night of the LA meeting that I had also stepped on Christians’ toes in Las Vegas, much less in San Fran Sissyco? The only place I had trouble with Christians on that tour was in LA, and with your Christian Identity buddies.

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You wrote: No one despises Christianity more than I but if you’re trying to make a coalition outfit with people, this was guaranteed to destroy such an effort.
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You never could grasp that I didn’t fly out to California to try and put together some kind of coalition outfit. I was there to get people, our people who agreed with the National Alliance ideology, program and goals, to read from the same page, then build a movement around them. Your Christian Identity buddies thought they could disrupt my Alliance gathering with their “We’re the true Israelites” nonsense, but they were sadly mistaken, and you are apparently still butt hurt about that. I was glad to hear that you eventually put all those “insane” Christian Identity friends in your rear view mirror. Better late than never. You sound like me here in your 11/08/2011 article, Jewish Policy:

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I will say it over and over: Christianity does not have a program for victory over the Jews, despite its alleged opposition to Judaism, despite its main character’s Jewish-directed execution and those of his early followers all of whom were Jewish rebels. No, it glories in the symbol of Jesus’ execution, the cross! How insane is that? The cross represents the ultimate Jewish victory over their enemies, the Christians. The cross represents the death penalty for believing in Jesus. It represents surrender to the Jews. That is why I consider Christianity to be our deadliest enemy, deadlier than the Jews themselves.
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How in the world are you going to build a coalition outfit full of Bible-thumpers with offensive language like that? Were you “grinning” at Christians when you wrote that? It’s easy to write stuff like that when everybody else is already saying it. Dr. Pierce had the moral courage to tell that vital truth when hardly anyone else was, besides Ben Klassen and Dr. Revilo Oliver.

Again, I was very complementary about his second novel – Hunter. He wouldn’t comment on it other than to say it was only entertainment and that such a thing was not his way. I said, “Really? Then why’d you write it?” It has been suggested that The Turner Diaries and Hunter were ghostwritten for him by the FBI. Ever since WTC ’93, you can’t laugh at such a thing. They were both so against what he actually believed,

Suggested by whom? More baseless rumormongering from from Mr. Campbell.

Anybody who reads The Best of Attack and National Vanguard might notice that The Turner Diaries was essentially a vehicle for observations that Dr. Pierce had made in the 1970s. The details, not the story as such, are the real point of The Turner Diaries.

which again, was all theory and no practice. That’s the way of an intellectual, which he surely was.

Educating people is not inactivity, especially compared to talk about overthrowing the government, which ultimately means (at best) doing nothing.

Of course people fixated on violence don’t sort these things out.

I wouldn’t brag so much about having started “the militia movement” if that really is the case. It ended up being a lot of hoopla that amounted to nothing.

What happened was that I had bought what I thought was a franchise to dispose of scrap tires from a guy in New York, complete with a big hydraulic press that made solid bales of scrap tires. I and others had been cheated and the others around the country had complained to the feds. They’d put my name on the victim list, against my wishes, and within a year the FBI showed up at my house in Hamilton, Montana. Two agents waited for me at the gate and one of them showed a badge. “Do you have a company called ‘Eco-Tire’?” “Yep.” “Well, we’ve had some complaints about it.” “My company? I don’t think so.” He referred to his clipboard and said, “Eco-Systems?” “Yeah, that’s the one that cheated us.”

“Could you answer some questions?”

“Are you guys going to get me my money back?”

“Probably not.”

“Then I don’t need to talk to you.”

But they were persistent and I agreed to tell them how the scam went down, as if they cared, it turned out. When we were done, the older agent, who hadn’t introduced himself, said he’d just come along to meet me since he’d read my book. I said, “What’s your name?” He identified himself as Mike Houck, whose name I knew from John Trochmann, the Militia of Montana guy. Anyway, Houck eventually said he’d like to start a dialog.

“With me?”

“I don’t know if it could go anywhere, but it might help.” So the whole visit wasn’t about scrap tires and fraud but to go face to face with me and get me to cooperate with them. That’s when I said that I’d need full disclosure from him, meaning he’d have to tell me everything he knew. That’s the best comeback I could produce on short notice, and it killed the idea before it was really born. And I looked like a reasonable guy with a reasonable request. But Houck naturally said that that was not possible, which let me off the hook without threats or gunplay, which that afternoon was on our agenda. There were over a dozen high-quality machine guns not twenty feet from where we were standing and as always I was armed, probably better than they were. They knew about the guns because I’d distributed them all to members of Militia of Montana, including a German MG-3 to Trochmann and others to his family. I’d had to repossess them when I found out that MOM was an FBI sting operation.

I’d noticed with some alarm while they were still pretending to be interested in my business problems that they both stammered when asking questions. I realized there was probably an HRT shooter out in the woods (Horiuchi himself?) backing them up when we were outside. Otherwise, why so nervous? Anyway, that’s what was meant by full disclosure.