Comments on: The battle between Truth and Propaganda /2013/09/28/the-battle-between-truth-and-propaganda/ Whites Talking to Whites About White Interests Tue, 15 Apr 2014 21:47:02 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=5.0.22 By: Carolyn /2013/09/28/the-battle-between-truth-and-propaganda/#comment-36524 Sat, 05 Oct 2013 23:47:34 +0000 /?p=5633#comment-36524 I have stopped the debate here as it is going off into pointless directions and no one can even give a source or reference for his “beliefs.” Regular comments on the show will still be accepted – Carolyn

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By: Repe /2013/09/28/the-battle-between-truth-and-propaganda/#comment-36492 Sat, 05 Oct 2013 04:24:39 +0000 /?p=5633#comment-36492 I think I read it from some of Stefan Scheil’s books. But there it was. I cannot remember the source. Maybe I’ll search it but now I’m lazy. But I can believe that the polish leaders said this. They had said many times something like that. The leaders of the army had published openly all kinds of visions and demands for years etc.

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By: Hasso /2013/09/28/the-battle-between-truth-and-propaganda/#comment-36477 Fri, 04 Oct 2013 22:30:11 +0000 /?p=5633#comment-36477 Repe, do you know a reference to this quote? I am not denying he said it, but I can’t remember. What was the context?

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By: Repe /2013/09/28/the-battle-between-truth-and-propaganda/#comment-36471 Fri, 04 Oct 2013 17:01:45 +0000 /?p=5633#comment-36471 Beck was most afraid of the coming generations. He said 1939, that they will never forgive the leaders of 1939 for not creating the “Great-Poland” when there was a chance for it.

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By: ulf /2013/09/28/the-battle-between-truth-and-propaganda/#comment-36446 Fri, 04 Oct 2013 05:25:16 +0000 /?p=5633#comment-36446 “Ulf, of course, the Czech and Slovak unitarian state (with 3 million Germans) was as peace-promoting as leaving East Prussia separate and a 97% German Danzig as a Free City! BUT Czechs are a very defined and strong nationality. Just go to Prague and see around.”
I was not about to doubt that, but this is outside the parameters for the reasoning of march 15th ´39

Nevertheless, when they were so cohesive, why
– accepting the arranged marriage (which they laid off two times last century)
– allowing foreign powers to use their area as a populated deployment zone
– withhold the german (and other) minorities the rights they should have according to Versailles
– not drawing the conclusion of this which would have assured them that they will be sacrificed without mercy by their western friends (can we say “western”, at least the Warburgs were “transnational”)

“it is interesting to note that Hitler towards the end stated that maybe Stalin was right in purging many of his Generals before the outbreak of the war, since they were not ideologically motivated enough and that, perhaps, he made a mistake in siding with the Army against Rohm in the “night of the long knives”.”
Doesn´t the generals of the red army rescued their country by demanding more power for themselves after the disaster in the beginning? Maybe Hitler thought about a more strict punishment for military personnel like the “kommissars” carried out. (Hitler himself limited death-penalties to officers, generals were more likely to be forced to retire at some nice refugium in germany)

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By: Carolyn /2013/09/28/the-battle-between-truth-and-propaganda/#comment-36442 Fri, 04 Oct 2013 03:01:33 +0000 /?p=5633#comment-36442 I received an interesting email from “stuart” commenting on this program, so I’m posting it. I basically agree with what he says.

Very interesting discussion on the H. Castrup show. Couple of points to remember is that one need only “be ready to a certain degree”: as Hitler quite well understood, TIMING, also counts for a certain amount of divisions.

The more one studies Hitler, the more one is amazed at his profound insights, both politically AND militarily. On the former he understood he was up against the Jewish plutocrats in the West and the Jewish Bosheviks in the East. He was ahead technologically and tactically. He knew war would come, in any case, and time was not on Germany’s side; thus, any war had to be won quickly at the right moment. On May 5, 1941, Stalin gives a top secret speech at a banquet for one thousand graduating officers from Moscow’s staff colleges, where he states, “It is time to stop chewing that particular cud [promoting the peace movement], Comrade Chosin: stop being a simpleton! The era of forcible expansion has begun for the Soviet Union.”

And so all the “timing”, i.e., conquests, of the last years solidified Germany to funnel everything East without danger from other directions.

On the the treachery and “lack of spirit” of too many Generals, it is interesting to note that Hitler towards the end stated that maybe Stalin was right in purging many of his Generals before the outbreak of the war, since they were not ideologically motivated enough and that, perhaps, he made a mistake in siding with the Army against Rohm in the “night of the long knives”.

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By: Hasso C /2013/09/28/the-battle-between-truth-and-propaganda/#comment-36416 Thu, 03 Oct 2013 14:38:40 +0000 /?p=5633#comment-36416 Repe, No doubt, some part of the Polish elites were freemasons. But there are always several strains balancing one another. I have read somewhere that Pilsudski, after returning from western Europe in 1906, said that there is going to be a general war and that Russia and Germany are going to lose, Germany having beaten Russia first. That’s why he decided to form his Legions in Austrian Galicia, and later refused to cooperate, for which he was imprisoned in Magdeburg by the German leadership.

Ulf, of course, the Czech and Slovak unitarian state (with 3 million Germans) was as peace-promoting as leaving East Prussia separate and a 97% German Danzig as a Free City! BUT Czechs are a very defined and strong nationality. Just go to Prague and see around.

I am translating an interesting interview by a Polish half-revisionist, historian and and writer. It is coming soon on my blog. It’s about Poland’s options in 1939.

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By: Hasso C. /2013/09/28/the-battle-between-truth-and-propaganda/#comment-36412 Thu, 03 Oct 2013 11:57:59 +0000 /?p=5633#comment-36412 Ulf, The present good relations in Europe are due to the treasonous elites, particularly in Germany. As soon as German nation regains its voice, a sizable part will recall the lost 25% of the Reich, and it is only understandable. One can hope that Germans and Poles will be able, nevertheless and despite enormous undigested historical problems, to give birth to reasonable elites. Otherwise, the problems of 1939 return, only 10x stronger and worse. My position, in the middle, would have been difficult. Luckily, I live in a third country which I love more than any other, and am able to look at the two from a distance. I am trying.

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By: ulf /2013/09/28/the-battle-between-truth-and-propaganda/#comment-36408 Thu, 03 Oct 2013 09:01:19 +0000 /?p=5633#comment-36408 Czechoslovakia was created after WWI WITHOUT its later inhabitants having expressed that they want their own state or that they have a desire to live together. Why establish such an entity and then crowding this place with airplanes, artillery, etc.?
Because the destruction of the reich always was part of the agenda, politically (treaty) or military, regardless of the kind of government

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By: Repe /2013/09/28/the-battle-between-truth-and-propaganda/#comment-36406 Thu, 03 Oct 2013 06:04:39 +0000 /?p=5633#comment-36406 I have criticized Hitler but only when he deserves it. I think he did not many mistakes in 1938 and 1939. Maybe he should have spied the german jews and his own people more intensively. Especially jews and the army. The ReichsKristallnacht could have been prevented. The traitors were encouraging the enemies and betraying everything.

Of course the elite was poisoning the ordinary people with propaganda and fear of the germans. But I have heard that the ordinary people were convinced that Poland would win the war.

The Czechs and the Poles were led by the freemasons. Their chauvinism and the hatred towards the Germans were not natural reactions or the genuine part of their culture. They were brainwashed by the freemasons from the very beginning (soon in 1800th Century).

I think tha the polis elite was a puppet of the West. It did fear more the Western countries than the Russia and the Germany. Otherwise it would not have done as the Western countries demanded. They did not want to give Danzig to the Germany and seek peace with it. Instead they wanted to kill and expulse all the germans of Danzig too. They did not care to defense their border with the Soviet Union.

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