The story about Goering and the Milch affair has been around a long time and I have not seen anyone challenge it before. Why not, if it’s so obviously fake? Your final sentence is all you really have for an argument:

I doubt that Milch was so indispensable in 1935 that Hitler’s government had to risk embarrassment by covering up for him. They didn’t cover up for Emil Maurice.

You doubt. How good is that? It was Goering who arranged the affidavit with the mother, and Hitler then went along with it. How much “embarrassment” did that cause? No one really cared.

As I’ve said, I’d be happy to think Milch was not Jewish. But I’m not convinced. You have not dealt with the point I brought up about the number of children involved.

http://www.amazon.com/Decide-Who-Jew-Papers-Doctor/dp/081912494X

If you’d investigated the question of fake quotes in general as I have, you would realize that often the circumstances of a statement are altered to change its significance and thereby to make it more damaging. I don’t know where George Will got his version of the story about Goering but it is obviously much less damaging than what you presented, and therefore less dubious on its face.

Proving that Goering didn’t mock Germany’s Jewish policy doesn’t prove that Milch wasn’t a mischling, but it does show that what you quoted is reckless and biased.

I doubt that Milch was so indispensable in 1935 that Hitler’s government had to risk embarrassment by covering up for him. They didn’t cover up for Emil Maurice.

The reason why this is more credible is that in this account Goering isn’t mocking the whole government’s Jewish policy, only mocking himself for buying from a Jew.

I looked at the link you gave to the Jew York Post/George Will. I have to say I’m surprised that you would find this interpretation more credible — that what Goering said about an art dealer would become well-known enough to be switched to a truly serious issue about Milch. I mean, who cares about the art thing? And Goering, a serious art collector, would certainly know whether a “favorite” art dealer was Jewish or not. Nobody would have to tell him. All art dealers were Jews, anyway. No date is given, nor any source for it from the anti-Nazi George F. Will.

You are inventing motives for Goering by saying he would publicly “mock himself for buying from a Jew.” Imo, he would never say that over such a minor thing. In what context did Karl Lueger say it? I can imagine G. would be quoting Lueger, but not necessarily.

However, I don’t think this is the major issue in whether Milch was half Jewish or not. The marriage of his mother to a Jew after she had 7 children with her uncle is what I find unbelievable. She could never have covered that up, so it would have had to be common knowledge … which it didn’t seem to be since the Gestapo were fooled!

“I decide who is a Jew around here.”- Hermann Goering in 1934, when told that a favorite Munich art dealer was Jewish http://nypost.com/2007/12/01/hawaiian-apartheid/

The reason why this is more credible is that in this account Goering isn’t mocking the whole government’s Jewish policy, only mocking himself for buying from a Jew.

These events and his being issued a German Blood Certificate, by Adolf Hitler, prompted Hermann Göring to famously say “Wer Jude ist, bestimme ich” (I decide who is a Jew).

The funny thing is that this statement (“I decide who is a Jew”) is also attributed to Karl Lueger, the mayor of Vienna, decades before Goering might have said it.

Of course Goering could have been wryly quoting Lueger, but it’s hard to imagine a situation where Goering would have said it publicly. It seems most likely apocryphal.

It certainly wouldn’t be the first remarkable statement falsely attributed to Goering.

In 1935, Milch’s ethnicity came into question because his father, Anton Milch, was rumoured to be Jewish. This prompted an investigation by the Gestapo that Göring suppressed by producing an affidavit signed by Milch’s mother stating that Anton was not really the father of Erhard and his six siblings, and naming their true father as Karl Brauer, her deceased uncle. These events and his being issued a German Blood Certificate, by Adolf Hitler, prompted Hermann Göring to famously say “Wer Jude ist, bestimme ich” (I decide who is a Jew).

We’re to believe that Milch’s mother had seven children with Karl Brauer, her uncle, and then he died? So she married a Jew and named him, after the fact, as the father of the seven children?! The eldest had to be at least 10 years old by then. If her family were such good Catholics that she needed to be married in the Church, how is it she could then marry a Jew? And why would this Jew marry her and name himself the father of so many children?

Erhard had a famous brother, Werner, who was a Doctor of Law and

was a highly decorated Major der Reserve in the Fallschirmjäger during World War II. He was also a recipient of the Knight’s Cross of the Iron Cross. The Knight’s Cross of the Iron Cross was awarded to recognise extreme battlefield bravery or successful military leadership. During the Milch Trial, he acted as co-counsel for his brother Generalfeldmarschall Erhard Milch alongside Friedrich Bergold.

This means all the Milch children were declared to be Aryan, as Wikipedia says, not just Erhard. But as I said, how that works out with the mother and father and the Jew is strange, to the point of being questionable. The scenario in which Hitler approves the “correction” in their records makes more sense.

Perhaps Milch was sensitive to being called “the Nazi Jew” after the war and preferred the story the N-S Party, with the help of his mother, came up with … in spite of the too close relationship.

You and they would do better to spend your efforts in talking to Christian-Zionists about the error of their ways, rather than just writing them off. This is where committed Christians should be working. Charles Carlson is the only one I know who is actually doing that, with his impressive ministry.

Keep listening (and comment if you want) and thanks for the compliments!

If you’re going to assume that people are lying all the time, there’ll be no end to confusion.

Ha! What a comment. If you’re going to assume David Irving is right all the time, there’ll be no end to the confusion.

Milch was the man of whom Göring said: “I decide who’s a Jew.”

Further, the reviewer of the 1974 book by Irving is very pro-British. Here is a quote from him:

In my judgement The Rise and Fall of the Luftwaffe ranks with Albert Speer’s memoirs Inside the Third Reich as by far the most important book on Hitler’s Germany to have appeared.

Albert Speer’s Inside the Third Reich is full of “post-1945” anti-Hitler slurs and other inaccuracies that the British reviewer just loves. I am soon going to publish for the first time the last translation from Hermann Giesler’s Ein Anderer Hitler that Wilhelm Kriessmann and I produced. Giesler knew and worked with Albert Speer, something that David Irving cannot claim. All DI can claim are his interviews. I just need a little space of time.

Like another airman, though of more lowly rank — Aircraft-man T E Shaw, otherwise Colonel Lawrence (‘Lawrence of Arabia’) — Milch was born illegitimate. The accident of his birth was to prove an embarrassment to him, but for a different reason than with Lawrence. In Milch’s case, his nominal father, Anton Milch, who had married his mother, was of Jewish antecedents, though his mother was not; neither was his real father. Nevertheless it was alleged that Erhard Milch was Jewish, not only by his enemies under the Hitler regime, but even more unjustly by the American prosecutor at Nuremburg. The reason why Frau Milch never married Erhard’s father was that their relationship was one which the Church forbade as between man and wife. Out of respect for Milch’s wishes, Mr Irving goes no further than this — in fact the father was the mother Clara Milch’s maternal uncle. http://www.fpp.co.uk/reviews/Milch/Books_Bookmen_0574%20copy.html

The General was born illegitimate. The Jew married his mother after he was born. The Jew was not his biological father.

If you’re going to assume that people are lying all the time, there’ll be no end to confusion.