I’ll never claim the J2a’s were the main branch of Aryans.

But then you do:

We J2a’s had the chariots. The R1B’s had the horses. We were the brains. They were the muscle. They were the “swoop in and conquer.” We were the “stay and build.” They were the hard exterior. We were the chewy center. A beautiful, classic symbiotic relationship.

So this tells us where the Aryans came from: the Steppes of Russia or Anatolia? They came from both.

But we were the smarter ones. You’ll still find us in Israel and Italy and Crete building civilization without them.

Again, you’re arguing that J2s were/are the Aryanest of the Aryans. And again, that’s at odds with their closer genetic connection to jews (then and now).

Your description of the past reminds me of how some dissemblers (many of whom are also dissumulators) describe the more recent dispensation between Whites and jews. In one breath they claim jews are White, and in the next that jews are smarter/better/more important. They also misidentify the parasitic relationship as symbiotic.

A symbiotic relationship is mutually beneficial. Both participants thrive. One participant disguising itself as the other and benefiting at the expense of the other is more indicative of parasitism. Obfuscation on this point serves the parasite.

http://www.bible.ca/archeology/bible-archeology-exodus-date-1440bc.htm

It’s really a laugh when we get a lecture from them about how the Bible is wrong about Jericho falling in the Late Bronze Age 1 Period (1400). They insist it fell about 1550 BC. Well if it fell in the Middle Bronze Age why is it full of pottery from Late Bronze Age 1?!

Unmentioned here is the Book of the Heavenly Cow, or The Destruction of Mankind.

http://rbedrosian.com/Downloads/Budge_Legends_Gods.pdf

This first shows up in Egyptian tombs in 1350 BC. Which tells me it was probably compiled and written about 1400 BC, right at the time of Joshua’s conquest. As you may know, the entire generation of Israelites in the Exodus died in the desert, so when the book was written there was a “plausible” spiritual explanation for the disaster that had hit Egypt. This was their way of coming to grips with that humiliation. We have the allusion to all the gold and silver the Israelites left Egypt with. Ra calls himself “I Am that I Am” in many translations. But there are a ton of I Am statements here – Moses’ announcements are clearly still ringing in their heads. We have two of the big plagues – the Darkness and the Nile turning to blood. We’ve got blasphemers killed in the desert and/or in the mountains. (The Sinai and the mountains of Israel; i.e. Mount Zion. Though topologically hills, actually. Different translators translate the text either way.) You’ve even got the Golden Calf. J2a’s are big time into the Cult of the Bull, and the power of Yahweh was to rest on the back of Aaron’s bull; just as Ra rests on the back of the goddess Nut. Later the northern Kingdom of Israel would have two bulls: one in the southern capital of Samaria, and the other in the northern High Place of Dan.

These are NOT Semites.

After the Joshua’s spectacular conquest these ratiocinations didn’t hold water anymore. The direct result of that – obviously! – is the monotheism of Akhenaten.

It really is a open and shut case.

But the Jews are still liars. They aren’t descendants of Abraham and they didn’t endure the pains of slavery in Egypt. My J2a brethren did (even though my own direct ancestors at the time were probably in Crete.)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chariot [The map at the top is completely contradicted by the actual text, BTW.]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_R1b_(Y-DNA)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_J-M172

Boom. Boom. Boom.

We J2a’s had the chariots. The R1B’s had the horses. We were the brains. They were the muscle. They were the “swoop in and conquer.” We were the “stay and build.” They were the hard exterior. We were the chewy center. A beautiful, classic symbiotic relationship.

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So this tells us where the Aryans came from: the Steppes of Russia or Anatolia? They came from both.

But we were the smarter ones. You’ll still find us in Israel and Italy and Crete building civilization without them. And that also explains the fact that in India a J2a is a certain predictor of highest caste and an R1B is not. There are no J2a’s in the lowest castes.

And how about those Central African R1B’s?!!

Though yDNA and mtDNA carry a relatively small amount of any one person’s traits, their significance, I think, is as an indicator for what’s likely in the aDNA.

yDNA and mtDNA are given such prominence because they are passed down intact, which is why they are easier to track back in time. The aDNA, being a blend from both parents, is harder to track because it becomes a hash in a few generations. The key is that both types of DNA tend, within a relatively homogenous population, to follow each other.

That said, I agree with your point that it is more valid to associate characteristics (heritable traits) with aDNA, if known.

Wikipedia says,

In human genetics, the haplogroups most commonly studied are Y-chromosome (Y-DNA) haplogroups and mitochondrial DNA (mtDNA) haplogroups, both of which can be used to define genetic populations.

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Bill Krapek and Tan both suggest that haplogroups code for charcteristics.

What I don’t understand is why Y-DNA (which I believe I inherited from my father from his father from his father and so on ad inf.) and mtDNA (from my mother via her mother and her mother before that etc.) is any more important than whatever coding I inherited from, say, my father’s mother’s father’s mother’s father’s … contribution (where every possible combination like this vastly outnubers the Y and mt DNA).

Isn’t it the the sum total of our ancestors and how they combined that makes us, or our ethnic groups, what we are?

Is it merely that Y and mt-DNA are more easily identified by genetic testing, or that these haplogroups tell a more simplified picture of ancient human migrations? Or is there indeed something special about Y and mt-DNA?

My 23andme results: http://songlight-for-dawn.blogspot.co.uk/2014/02/23andmecom-results.html

But J2 is in no way Semitic. We split from that southern line thousands of years ago.

The scriptures and archaeology are parallel to the Aryan culture. That’s clear as a bell. There’s nothing to “read” into that.

My (admittedly amateur) understanding of the genetic origins of Europeans is that the traces of the original hunter-gatherer settlers of Europe are visible in I1 and I2.

These original Europeans were invaded and conquered by at least two major waves of Aryans, the traces of whom are visible in R1a and R1b.

J1 and J2 are more closely related to each other than they are to any of the above. Your suggestion that J2 is the Aryanest of Aryan is at odds not only with the association of that term with R1, but also with J2’s genetic connection to J1, the jewiest of jews. This genetic connection explains the shared mental/religiosity traits you describe better than any of your handwaving concerning whether J1 or J2 “are the real Cohans” based on tendentious interpretations of J-originated scripture. Whatever the truth, it’s not that J2 is Aryan.

As the J2 link above notes:

All these elements reinforce the hypothesis that J2b2 and G2a3b1 were two minor lineages spread within an R1a-dominant population during the Indo-Aryan invasions of South Asia approximately 3,500 years ago.

Or, more bluntly, the DNA evidence reinforces the hypothesis of jewish parasitism, which dates back to and includes riding the backs of the Aryans.

As to your claim that the jews “stole” Christianity, the reality here seems to be that contemporary Christian Identitists wish to simply set aside the New Testament and subsequent European adaptations and accretions which have always comprised what has been called Christianity, steal Old Testament/Torah judaism from the jews, and relabel that as Christianity.

Yes. Absolutely. The Christian machinery in the West has been hijacked by the Jews. I see that in my Catholic Bible’s footnotes – New American Bible, Revised Edition (2011). I came across a LOT of Jewish arguments pushed there that weren’t identified as Jewish. That’s an old crypto game, as you know.

But I got my Y-Chromosome test results a couple of days ago, and I’m a J2a. And this result has helped me pull together some very odd observations I’ve made about the Old Testament in the past few months.

(Bear with me!)

J2a is an old Aryan strand which you can find among the Brahmin in India and was also carried by the Etruscans; who ruled Rome when she was still a small village. It’s also found among the Greeks and the Romans. Its highest proportion in Europe is on Crete. The Etruscans taught the Romans how to build religious institutions.They were very good with religious systems. It’s not a coincidence that the Pope is in Italy. They also taught the Romans divination. And its on J2a Crete that you find the Minotaur.

Ancestry.com calls the J2a’s “The Cultivators.” That’s true. But I think a better description is “The Priests.” I see that in my own life, where I’ve been big time into C.G. Jung for years. And scary good at divining.

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So guess who else is J2a? About 15% of Jewish Cohans! But about 50% of them are J1s; a branch of the J family that went south. The Semites are J1’s. So who are the real Cohans?

The J2a’s. Guarantee it. We now know from archaeology that Solomon’s Temple was Hittite. We found its predecessor at Ain Dara; just northeast of Aleppo in Syria. This is at the northern tip of the trade route between Jerusalem and Babylon. I can also guarantee you the prophet Ezekiel, a member of the priestly line who was exiled to Babylon, visited the remains of that temple on the way to Babylon. It had been destroyed by the Assyrians about a 150 years before. “Ezekiel” is full of fantastic creatures; along with a vision of Spiritual Israel and its Temple. Ain Dara clearly had a big impact on him and influenced his visions.

Also, Deuteronomy is written in a Hittite treaty form; in this case between God and Israel.

(These treaties date from the second millennia BC. So scholars who tell you Deuteronomy was a forgery written in the Iron age centuries later are full of crap. I suspect they’re trying to cover up Israel’s true roots.)

So this is how I know who the real Cohans are: the Hittites were Aryan. And I’d bet good money that the name Aaron, whose descendants became priests in Jerusalem, means Aryan. It’s therefore not a coincidence that they would put together a series of books as incredibly sophisticated as the Pentateuch – and right on through Judges and on into 1 Kings and 2 Kings. Just compare those to the pathetic Semitic counterparts of 1 Chronicles, 2 Chronicles, and all the Maccabees. The decline in spiritual and psychological sensitivity is profound. In fact I would call 1 and 2 Chronicles outright tone-deaf. And that was another thing I noticed but was at a loss to explain.

(And by the way: I’d also said for quite a while that that you don’t actually see recognizable Jews until Maccabees. But once again I was at a loss to explain what had happened. Until now.)

The Priests of Israel also cast a couple of mysterious objects called the Urim and the Thummin whenever they were stumped and needed to see what God’s will was.

Divination and Religion. A J2a speciality.

So. Yes. The Jews have stolen Christianity. In the West – but NOT in Russia. But it wouldn’t be the first time they’ve hijacked an Aryan religion. And thus we see the real reason they hate Christianity: their Semitic leaders must have been horrified to see the religion they thought they’d slain get resurrected among Aryans and Europeans in general. It was a disaster that they’ve only lately recovered from.

Also: I can now tell you exactly why the Israelites – the REAL Israelites – were enslaved in Egypt. The Hittites had become a powerful rival for Egypt in the north, and their brethren in Egypt were probably viewed as natural fifth columnists. And who ruled Egypt at the time? The Hyksos.

Semites!

Centuries later, the Semitic Muslims would kidnap and enslave almost two million Aryans on the Mediterranean. And the Jews – of course – have been big in the slave trade since the Roman Empire; where they were infamous for that. They are also infamous for their domination of the African slave trade.

The Jews probably hijacked the religion after the Babylonian exile; which had nearly annihilated the bloodline of Aaron. This is probably where all those J1’s come from. That and the time of Herod; who was also a Semite. An Edomite, specifically (Idumaean). One of the most hated enemies of the Israelites.

So you see why the Israelites were so racist? And why their God was horrified they were marrying Canaanites like the Jews? They’re a pack of dogs going back to their own vomit over and over again. They can’t help it.

And apparently they cannot be redeemed.