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Thank you Carolyn for presenting a great program. And thank you Mr. Linder for your insight.
This guy sure can talk. Seems to have been around.
Just curious though, what is Mr. Linder’s position on the efforts of Robert J. Mathews and his fellows?
Why is it that your detractors say you just start arguments?
I hope that I am able to hear you speak again.
The last part, in which linder says that the ‘Order’ ratted out GFM is total BS. Over the interview, linder seems to be just a shrill (which many have claimed for years), with a few commonsense ideas.
I would not call him a WN, but a radical nationalist – not necessarily a bad thing.
If linder was to choose, why pick GM over the men of the Order?
Carolyn you seem to just be stirring the pot, by keeping the show unfocused – pick a side and stick with it.
Trent, you can hear more of Alex at http://www.vanguardnewsnetwork.com/?cat=536 including one of the best shows ever created for White opinion – GoyFire.
There is a lot of ambiguity about the Frazier Glenn Miller case. Glenn Miller had the insights to do a remarkable thing with the White Patriot Party, but he is a man with some weaknesses as well. He makes that apparent in his autobiography.
Miller got himself into trouble by panicking under pressure. In 1987 he believed that he was going to be railroaded in court, and at that point went “underground” and declared war on the government and drove around in a van with two other men and some illegal weapons. That’s what really got him into a bind, because eventually they were caught and Miller was asked to be a witness in return for a reduced sentence.
It is true that some members of the Order had agreed to testify before he did, but not every defendant had done so. It is definitely true that nobody was convicted because of any testimony that Miller gave, while it did save him from spending more than a few years in prison.
If Miller hadn’t panicked, if he hadn’t believed in the infinite power of the FBI to railroad people, he probably would have ended up being a defendant at the Fort Smith Mass-Sedition Trial, and he would have been exonerated with all the others. That’s the tragedy of Glenn Miller.
But all of that was 25 years ago.
Some of the people most notable for harping on Glenn Miller’s failings of 25 years ago have glaring faults themselves, worse faults in fact, because Miller at least has the excuse that he cracked under extreme pressure whereas. Miller serves as a scapegoat for those people and their faults.
Quackenbush – You have to be more specific. I don’t know what you mean.
Mr. Linder’s comments regarding “freedom” reminded me a lot of the Tea Party, which is itself a Trojan Horse for Kosher Conservatism. Yes, Mr. Linder is a racist, BUT so are a lot of them, they just won’t admit it. If Linder made $500K per year would he just move into an exclussive Gated Community and register Republican to keep his taxs down and preserve “freedom”, all the while griping about minorities?
It seems that he is deeply conflicted between Race and the hyper libertarian concept of “freedom”, which he tried to explain away in a vague sense with banks, etc. The problems is its seems under Mr. Linder’s logic, if a fellow White rips you off, it is “freedom”. I say no. National Socilaism is the only true White Nationalism, it was not an absolute centralization, nor was it Socalism of the left.
I have yet to hear any White Nationalst Celebrity make a case for any system better than National Socialism.
Conservatives use “freedom” with many Whites like Jews and Liberals use Welfare with blacks and mexicans, ahhh shiney thing…
Republican “White Nationalism”, whatever that is. Amerika is finished; stick a fork in it, it is done. Genocide? Self-inflicted death wish/racial suicide precedes externally-inflicted genocide; the former makes the latter possible; the gate has been opened from the inside. Have the Jews jumped all over it? Of course they have. Why wouldn’t they? How many children has Mr. Linder had? (Hi, Hadding. Siege hell!) Did I mention that Amerika is finished? True racialists will adapt on the continent accordingly. Conservatives will rag on each other as to who is the greater conservative. Secede to survive.
Even if Linder’s white libertarian Utopia would ever be realized, it would have no inner strength to defend it self. Race is a collective phenomenon, it can only be defended collectively, hence a COLLECTIVISTIC SOCIETY will have to be established. Call it fascism or National Socialism, something of the sort will have to be realized. Libertarianism is social-economical hyperindividualism, exactly the kind of weakness that has brought the white man in his present plight. A “society” consisting of hyperindividualistic persons will neglect its collective interests.
Linder’s ideal is a contradictio inter terminis.
The debate should be about WHAT KIND of collectivistic society we want, not whether we should have it or not.
In fairness to Linder, he’s merely saying that he hopes the ethno-state will allow not only Men be White (as in the Third Reich), but also Men (as in 19th century America). See his written opinions on the subject here for further clarification.
@Rodney yes White Nationalism, was not an absolute centralization, nor was it Socalism of the left. In a white christian homogeneous society, it is a natural outcrop. The underlying communal aspect of knowing when it was time to circle the wagons against the savages is as centralized as it gets.
Alex Linder expresses his views and desires of a white homogeneous society and its organization. But we all do, the main thing is Alex Linder expresses the core ideas and values needed to win this thing.
Alex Linder stated he would like to see the mid 1800’s free banking era while in the same breath espousing the need to follow successful examples set before us ala National Socialist German Workers’ Party. As much as I have leaned to a free banking environment I now realize how it led that first step into this deep hole awaiting only the cover dirt to be applied. National Socialist German Workers’ Party banking system, classless system allowing ability as the upward mobile criteria, the wealth of the nation state to benefit the whole.
Adolph Hitler had his Gregor Strasser, the main thing is moving foward bringing as many along with us as needed. The aftermath will bring along the rest.
Chechar – To say that males in The Third Reich were not allowed to be “Men” but, what(?), tools of the state (?), or of the Fuehrer (?) is just wrong to start with. Linder has a false picture of National Socialist Germany, just as you no doubt do. For example, yesterday he said smoking cigarettes was banned in NS Germany! Does he think the fighting troops were forbidden to smoke cigarettes?!! Or were they exempt from the ban? Just wrong and ridiculous. All he had to do was ask a German from that period … or even look at some German movies all the way through 1944. Alex Linder is preaching a kind of hyper-liberty because he wants that for himself. But he wants to live in an all-white society. So he has designed an ideal “state” (in his mind only) that will give him what he wants.
National Socialism was designed for the highest collective good, not for individual good. Linder is right that it’s not for him. I’m sure he would agree that he has never in his life measured up to the deeds of the MEN of Hitler’s government, military and NS party. He has never had to, living a life solely for his own satisfaction. The same goes for all of us. It is the lifestyle designed by Jews for Gentiles and we were all brought up in it.
EDIT: The prerogative of the admin :). Of course it is true that Alex gave up his opportunities in Washington DC to follow, as a young man, his strong racial beliefs and, by implication, his love of his own race — so his idea of personal freedom is bound up in this. He would rather have chosen to do this than been required to do it — which I guess is an important distinction to him. I consider Alex and I to be friends and I am not meaning to criticize him.
Carolyn, why are you sitting on my Post from this morning?
I noted your stating that we are all brought up in this life designed by Jews for Gentiles. I agree and when I ‘woke-up’ it was like striking oil! or the scene in the movie They Live where the blond hero wakes up to the blindness he had been wandering in. Just to add to this let me tell you a bit of how I was raised. My father is a decorated combat vet with a Silver Star who raised me to be hard as steel. I grew up in a tiny town of 2000 people in rural Iowa. The town was and still is all white and mostly the descendants of nordic Germans from just south of Denmark. Every year there was a festival for our German heritage with Polka music and dancing, traditional dress such as lederhosen, and bratwurst, sauerkraut and apple fritters. Even the kids whose parents weren’t farmers worked in the fields in the summer helping bail hay, de-rogue, and de-tassel, etc. I was blessed to have a semi-traditional upbringing. I say semi because it was an unspoken understanding that we were relatives of those ‘evil nazis.’ We had to live with a shame and guilt and were told through the public school system to love non-whites and Martin Luther King Jr. Most of us privately would disparage this farce of loving a black man who spent church money on prostitutes but more than this we had pride and appreciation for our heritage but we were collectively, everyday, submitting to the ZOG. Now when I go back to my hometown things are all different. Internet brought easy access to filth and now, even in a small, ALL White, German, rural, agrarian town I see kids were black, rap, sub-culture sagging pants and cocked ball caps! I used to be able to stop and talk to everyone even perfect strangers cordially like friends but now I see cold stares and menacing looks as fear and mistrust have taken over with the waves of Mestizo immigrants. I had to wake-up to the fact that as traditional much of my upbringing was it was a vulgar farce because it, like the Catholic Church in China, is a willing tool for our greatest enemy!
Chechar life is best when individuality is sacrificed! Children, marriage, military service (though in the U.S. this would be treasonous to our race), and giving your life to the greatness of the race and nation as a holy offering in the most the fulfilling and satisfying. A life of selfishness and pleasure amounts to less than a dung heap!
I answered you in an email, according to the email address you give, but it was returned as disabled or discontinued. Sorry, we can’t use this comment section for personal exchanges. Send me an email.
“National Socialism was designed for the highest collective good, not for individual good.”
At its high point barely 30% of the population voted for it. By definition, 70% not wanting what you’re selling means you’re not representing the what the collective itself sees as its good, you’re representing your own minority conception of what’s good for it.
The problem is, Carolyn, there’s no agreement on what ‘collective good’ means, apart from not being genocided by jews. And in fact, there’s a hell of a lot of white people who don’t even agree on that – they’re called liberals. And they’re perfectly happy with whites being blended out of existence. And they’re just as white as you or I are. ‘Collective good’ is a phrase with no objective meaning. It’s just a way to privilege one’s own view over others’ views.
What we all stand for is not the collective good, but a political outcome and arrangement we prefer AS INDIVIDUALS: an all-white nation, meaning not that we lord it over jews and coloreds, but that we have no jews or coloreds in our living space. At least that’s what I want. I’m presuming everybody else here wants that too. And that’s probably the only thing we all agree on.
Once we remove the racial enemy trying to destroy us, (1) how do we preserve our victory permanently?; and (2) how do we arrange things so that we can live most amicably and productively amongst ourselves? Those are the questions my conception addresses:
(1) A racial-defense dictatorship at the national level ensures the racial basis of the state. Defense is defined as narrowly as it can be and as widely as necessary. The scope cannot be nailed down a priori because it depends in part on circumstances.
(2) Beneath that national level, at the state and lower levels, we have decentralization into such groups and arrangements as white men see fit.
Since whites disagree about economic and religious questions, the bread and butter questions of daily life, and since these differences are profound and irreconcilable, let the white members of this new racial state divide up as they see fit – into states, or microstates, or city-states or whatever you want to call subnational political units. I could see a Mormon Utah city state; the South; a libertarian state; and a middle-ages-style Catholic state; and a Swedish-style welfare state. Who knows? Whites are very inventive. It is anti-White to crush their genetic individuation by means of coerced association – as we have today under the jews.
I think this is the best arrangement we could make. Understand that I’m perfectly willing to fight other white men _not_ to live under cradle-to-grave socialism, I detest it that much. And I grant you socialists the same, that you’re willing to fight me. So let’s separate since we can’t get along. For me, the chance to live as a free adult ought to be the _larger_ part of the appeal of our racial cause, not an afterthought that almost no WN ever mention. The jew and racial stuff is merely a necessity – putting a fire out necessarily takes precedence over all other considerations.
The tools of the times allow decentralization and customization. Why stick with the outmoded notion of one-size-fits all? why subject everyone to the whims of some new post-card painter and armchair general who wants to reorder society according to his private whims?
White men don’t need government running their lives. Niggers do. Most of my critics have never actually considered what it means to be White. I have. Decentralization is the only truly White form of politics because only Whites are capable of it. Centralization and dictatorship are a jew-mud thing.
Realize that all too many on our side have sub-100 IQs, and are essentially white niggers. Just like the black ones, they want what they can’t obtain by their own efforts, and think a white government should give it to them. Contrast these with the intelligent, driven, angry young white men Ron Paul has collected. As individuals, they are more impressive than most racialists. But what they don’t understand, because Paul won’t tell them, is that you can’t have the specific freedoms they want except in a white racial context. We are both individuals _and_ members of a racial collective. Both identities are real. To ignore either one is a great mistake. The chance to live as as a free, responsible adult in a White state is a lot more appealing than the chance to be live under a white socialist dictatorship. At least, it’s a lot more appealing to the people we ought to be worrying about – the right half of the white bell curve.
We are white men. And ‘white men’ has two parts: the WHITE and the MAN. _Both_ identities are important. Not just one. I’m not going to destroy ZOG in order to turn it over to some NS clown who’s going to treat me like a child or subject. One of the largest appeals of our cause, which we never use as a selling point is, or ought to be, the chance to live as a free adult. And make all the key decisions in your life. But these unseeing NS types simply envision the same old failed sclerotic socialism that has caused our race’s spirit to die in the first place (with a tremendous assist from the vile christian cult, of course).
White men who can’t run their own lives are no better than niggers, and if we subsidize them with racial socialism, we will get the same result as the Bonoite do-gooders who keep feeding the Africans: an ever-larger population of defectives and weaklings. No…our government will protect the racial basis of your community. The rest is up to you and your fellow white neighbors to work out.
Voluntary, private arrangements is the way to go, wherever possible. The libertarians have demonstrated this copiously over the years at lewrockwell.com . But you know what’s most interesting? and only superficially paradoxical? These “individualists” the NSers despise get along much better, collectively, than racialists do – they are more cooperative, and carry on at an intellectually higher, friendlier social level than those on ‘our’ side. There is meaning there. No other group or political position, by contrast, is as fractious and ego-ridden as supposedly collective-good-seeking white nationalists/NS.
So these are my ideas, and I appreciate Ms Yeager having me on the show. If you have better ideas, post them here, or join my forum, at vnnforum.com , and post them there too. A.
That was a great interview. Alex Linder is a fascinating and compelling speaker, agree with him or not. He’s a talented orator and has taken the time to think out an intelligent and distinctive position on things. I got a lot from this discussion, great work!
Listening to Alex Linder struggling to resolve the contradictions within his new big idea about devolved micro states for white people who share racial identity but disagree on societal issues, is a reminder that certain white people are every bit as shark-like as the most rapacious of Jews.
Linder wants white people to band together solely for the purpose of destroying the Jewish competition. This way people like him can take control and inflict their own kind of anarchy and usury on fellow whites, which he thinks is morally correct. For him it’s unacceptable that the Jews, who are racial outsiders, have completely displaced the ”natural order” which formerly allowed his sort to feed off the weaker members of their own race.
That’s the real objective for libertarians working within the white nationalist movement today.
”At its high point barely 30% of the population voted for it. By definition, 70% not wanting what you’re selling means you’re not representing the what the collective itself sees as its good, you’re representing your own minority conception of what’s good for it”
I doubt the libertarian ideas of Ron Paul (or Alex Linder) will ever draw anything like 30% of the vote but there’s more and you should have developed your example further
In 1932/33, national-socialism was an idea that had never been tested so it’s understandable that people were hesitant about voting for such a thing. However, five years later, Austria had the opportunity to vote for NS and racial union, and gave an empirical and emphatic ”yes” with 99.7% voting for the chance to live their lives as national-socialists.
So it seems that socialism, when correctly applied, does work and is hugely popular.
“At its high point barely 30% of the population voted for it. By definition, 70% not wanting what you’re selling means you’re not representing the what the collective itself sees as its good, you’re representing your own minority conception of what’s good for it.”
Mr. Linder, this an over simplification. In Weimar elections of 1932, the National Socialists increased their percentage in each election, in a system with a plethoria of Parties. In their last Weimar election they over 40% on a ballot line with about 12 Parties on the ballot line. This is significant. This led to Hitler becoming Chancellor. In subsequent Plebesites, the National Socialists won 70% t 80%. I might also add that the Allied Control Council in the years 1946-1949 took polls in West Germany and were shocked at the remaining popularity of National Socialism and its higher regard than the new West German “Democracy”.
Interestingly I have not seen you articulate an effective system other than rabid libertarianism with a racial component. I use my example, according to you if a white rips off a fell white it is freedom. The concept of the National Community is what sets National Socialism heads and shoulders above all other “White Nationalist Proposals”.
No, ‘collective good’ means the survival, betterment, expansion and securing the future of the race (otherwise known as nation). This is an entirely different concept from your “arrangement we prefer as individuals” because “we are white men, not niggers.”
I am not one who says that Hitler’s National Socialism is the right way to go for the United States, although much can be learned and adopted from it. You are the one comparing your idea with NS, no doubt because NS Germany was the only successful racial state that actually had a program to get rid of Jews. But the fact is that your plan has not gone past something in your head, so one can hardly even compare the two.
Tonight’s Heretics’ Hour with Severus Niflson will be addressing this issue of a White nation. Please tune in live at 8 pm Eastern and send in any questions or comments you want to make. Sorry we don’t have a phone line but the emails work pretty well until we do get that worked out. I think this is a worthwhile topic of discussion among Whites that will certainly continue here after your interview, Alex, and tonight’s program.
Thanks for your input.
Carolyn: Here is a link to my 7 Foundations of a WN Nation. It serves only as an “inspirational outline”, since I do not wish to burden the reader with too much detail at this point. It is the same outline I once posted on Linder’s VNN Forum (also Phora, Stormfront, etc) that indicate Linder has obviously borrowed points from, as you will see.
Click here: 7 Foundations of a WN Nation
Please not that the essential idea of a centralized WN government with “free-market socio-economic sub-states” originated with me. Though I don’t expect you to necessarily agree with it, you might wish to use the 7 Foundations of a WN Nation as talking points for your later radio discussion, even if to joyously bash them to hell.
Linder is basically just a racist and Jew-conscious Reaganite. That’s what most WNs seem to be. They are not ideological mavericks for the most part.
This was a great interview and Carol should try to have Alex on at least every two months as he has the best insights of any white nationalist, especially concerning the plight of white Americans. And I don’t think his ideal form of government is anything to scoff at. In his opinion, a state should be authoritarian on racial matters but libertarian on all other things. It wouldn’t be my ideal form of government and I can find fault with it (libertarianism would foster self-centeredness and disunity) but it would be preferable to the soft Jewish dictatorship we now live under.
My critics have no problem with ZOG, where the federal government is involved in an increasingly totalitarian way with every last aspect of life, they just want their own kind to be running it. And they actually believe they are radicals rather than run-of-the-mill big-government socialists pushing policies that the entire 20th century proves don’t work.
All the big government some of you favor does is create new problems and exacerbate existing ones. It wouldn’t be much different if whites were running the show instead of jews. So stop your silly whining and enjoy – you have 90% of what you want today…right now. Just move away from blacks and don’t criticize jews publicly, and you have exactly the government you want. Enjoy!
What about NS? That was a hugely successful racial socialist enterprise, right? Was it? Really? NS didn’t hurt our enemy the jews, it let them escape, encouraged them to emigrate _by government policy_. The vast majority of our race’s worst enemies were allowed to get away, including nearly all the most pernicious ones, and reestablish themselves in new lands! Even in the one thing NS is most (falsely) famous for, and credited with – it utterly, completely and totally failed: dealing with the jews.
Thanks in part to NS, 10% of the German population was killed off in a mere 12 years. That’s quite an achievement, Herr Hitler. Not to mention another 40+ million White men in other white countries got deaded up. How does that bode for the “survival, betterment, expansion and securing the future of the race” the NS were supposedly concerned about? You can say others were to blame, and that’s certainly true, but what you can’t say is that national socialism succeeded.
The only real thing NS has to teach us today, which I more than any other man have advocated learning from these last 10-15 years, is how to take power from jews. How to do propaganda and run meetings and organize. The lessons are all online at calvin.edu, and I have expounded them ceaselessly from day one.
What we’re dealing with in WN are a lot of mental children and wannabe state employees who think they will have the whip hand in the White Slave State they unwittingly prefer. The cruel irony would be, if they got their way, they’d find themselves subject to the whims of some assclown like Erich Gliebe. You can bet your bottom dollar that whatever he wants, and forces you to go along with, will be “for the betterment of the race.” And then the Carolyns will have it cruelly and coldly sink in that anyone can claim his preferred arrangement is for the good of the race. Even illiberals, who truly believe it’s best for whites to blend into the mass of subhumanit…
And who are we to say they’re wrong? There’s no objective way to judge. There’s just men fighting over preferences. Trying to attract as many as they can to their vision. I think my vision will prove most attractive because it appeals to the most capable among us, not the worst.
I’d like to see a better vision than mine, but so far I’ve seen no evidence you socialists are able to lay one out. If having the government involved in wiping everybody’s ass like it does today is the answer, why would anyone need white nationalism? We already have the socialism you guys want – all you want is to add a white veneer. You’re not radicals, you simply want a WOG rather than a ZOG. And the reason for this, apart from the greed of the inferiors, defined as those who want to use the state to steal from others what they cannot earn by their own efforts, is that most of you know noting of political theory and policy history, so you buy everything ZOG sells except race. What you haven’t realized is that ZOG isn’t just lying about race, it’s lying about everything, most significantly that more government is the solution to every social ill. You guys need to dejew your minds and start looking at yourselves as white men rather than white ants.
WHITE-MAN-ISM is what we need; not WHITE-ANT-ISM.
@Mr. Linder, with all due respect, your proposed system is essentially the current state of White Nationalism now, all the varied groups essentially agree on race, but they remain disunited, disfunctional, fight over donors (money) and disagree on everything else, thus nothing has happened. It’s ANARCHY. Would you want to take the current state of White Nationalism and apply it as a governing system? That is essentially what you are proposing. You seem to be the typical “Amurican”, and are terrified of the term “Socialism” in National Socialism. It is a fact that there were very rich Germans and Germans who became very well off under National Socialism. The more you write about National Socialism, the more you demonstrate a limited understanding of its mechanics. National Socialism, in Germany, was for Germany, thus the policies you take issue with. Keep in mind, it was the United States problem/stupidity for accepting the waste (Jews) of Europe, as it now accepts the waste of the third world. With this said, I agree with several of your points, my disagreement is one of an effective system for White Nationalism to advance and protect our people. I have yet to be presented with one superior to National Socialism which was and is a comprehensive Worldview as to Race, Culture, Economics, Health, Science, etc.
Fascism and/or National Socialism along with Totalitarianism as Mussolini defined it really don’t intrude in private life much at all unless you are very openly hateful toward national values. The basic idea is that if we can have a “Total War” idea where everyone and all resources as devoted to national military struggle why can’t we have a ‘Total Nation’ where all people are part of a struggle toward Higher Forms in a progressively greater civilization. The family is championed, wages are designed for labor to prosper and all the claptrap of “iron law of wages” is relegated to the waste basket. Kerry Bolton has pointed to the new economics of the Axis, focusing on the Third Reich, to show that they were so greatly hated for opposing the highly immoral Jewish Banking practices which we suffer under today.
Basically you are assuming Socialism is progressively tyrannical and 1984esque. The Fascists and National Socialists wanted strong men and women and strong families and strong communities, not Soviet style communes where children are the property of the state and fanatical amoral drones are made from people.
As far as freedom for intellectuals, I think the Futurists in Italy did fine.
The major problem with a Neo-Nazi state is the fact that white Americans would be subject to the rule of a dictator – and a dictator that they would have no way of ridding themselves of, should that dictator decide to purge a certain faction of the populace.
That’s why they’re called “dictators”.
Same goes for a communist governement.
And we already know that a democracy does not work.
The only viable solution is a meritocratic system of government.
Well I decided that perhaps signing up to the VNN forum might be a good idea. Apparently it was not a good idea nor was trying to comment over at the VNN blog which never showed up.
I signed up and waited for the confirmation to post. Not only did I not receive that email but VNN no longer has my email in their database. Contacting the administrator has resulted in silence on their part.
Alex Linder claimed he even “allows Jews” to post to the VNN forum. I guess they rank higher than White people.
It seems to me the whole cartoony model of White Nationalism is an exercise in terminal confusion and impotence. White men and women afraid to meet up in person to defend themselves from “White Genocide”.
David Duke always mentions how Jews network to garnish and retain their power. But he never mentions the fact that Whites refuse to network nor does he suggest they do. This strangeness is fundamentally an American White phenomena.
The Golden Dawn party is successful not because they are a “White Nationalist” Group but as Greek Nationalists. And because they partake in real life activism and not internet fantasies. American WN offers nothing but pain, shame and despair. And some of the other groups offer a website, whining and the asking of donations.
Where is the networking?
Taking a different approach as an American Nationalist with a focus on rights for all including Whites would gain some momentum. In other words, America exists rather than some fantasy White Homeland.
If we Whites are fighting for our very survival then why are the ones most “aware” the least likely to take action? The ones most likely to be fodder for the ADL and other Jewish groups?
”Realize that all too many on our side have sub-100 IQs, and are essentially white niggers. Just like the black ones, they want what they can’t obtain by their own efforts, and think a white government should give it to them.”
Well you should know Alex because these are the types that you decided to encourage at VNN. And these the ”white niggers” have been putting food on the Linder table since 2003.
”Contrast these with the intelligent, driven, angry young white men Ron Paul has collected. As individuals, they are more impressive than most racialists. But what they don’t understand, because Paul won’t tell them, is that you can’t have the specific freedoms they want except in a white racial context.”
Nah, that don’t make sense!
If these ”intelligent. driven, angry young white men” that you say Ron Paul has collected are the ”impressive individuals” that you claim, then how come they can’t figure out that they ”can’t have the specific freedoms they want because Ron Paul won’t tell them”
So they’re not the super-intelligent individuals that you claim them to be because big-daddy Ron Paul thinks for them just like the head of any collective.
A true fascist doesn’t require his leader to tell him what is wrong and what must be done because he knows these things in his heart and in his balls.
What the fascist or national-socialist requires of his leader is a determination to do what needs to be done.
At VNN you created a forum that became a zoological garden and unfortunately you became your own prime-exhibit.
Peacock No 1.
I enjoy much of what Alex has to say, but his continual call for mass murder is not productive. Alex, please consider stopping that. Even though Jews have already committed the mass murder of Russians and Ukrainians, they are smart enough to never have publically said it. I am not sure why you have to keep saying that, Alex.
I’m a little late in working my way down to this radio podcast – but, I finally wrapped it up over the last two days. Overall, I’d give it 99 stars out of a 100.
I noticed for the first hour or so, Carolyn seemed to be trying real hard to be cordial and let the interview flow naturally along the basic topical areas that were advertised. But, anyone in our movement who has even a moderate amount of familiarity with Alex Linder – ought to know full well that he is a man who puts his race and his people’s survival at the very top of his list of priorities. This includes political ideology, financial and banking related matters, religious affiliation and the whole range of of other issues. Linder has the same basic view, from a white perspective – that jews operate under from a jewish perspective. Which is simply: Is this good or bad, will it help or harm, the White race?
But, despite this relatively simple-to-understand ideological frame of mind, near the end of the interview – Carolyn, for some weird reason, started to get combative with Alex and seemed as though she hadn’t listened to a word he had said for the previous 90 minutes. Accusing Alex of being a ‘conservative’ or a vile and despicable ‘libertarian’ – how and where on Earth did Carolyn get those ideas? It is a well known, frequently discussed, and very well documented fact that neither ‘conservatives’ or ‘libertarians’ have either the brains or the gonads to think in racial terms.
White Nationalists and/or White race realists – do, I will admit, normally lean towards having a hefty amount of views on the issues that could be described as ‘conservative’. After all, what is more important to ‘conserve’ than your own race and progeny? But, why was it so difficult for Carolyn to also understand that having those views, along with being pro-white, can also include a desire to be left alone and to live in a nation that is not an authoritarian, dictatorial and intrusive police state? That sounds to me like the very kind of nation that our 100 percent White European ‘racist’ Founding Fathers tried to create and thought was the best possible environment for White men and their families to live in.
It’s exactly as Alex said. The preservation of our race and the civilization that is created by and for our race – that must be a task that is assigned at the highest levels of our leadership.
Race treason by our White elites is the #1 reason we are in the mess we are in today, so to my way of thinking, the principle that Alex was trying to explain is a given. Race treason must become a capital offense in any White ethnostate that arises out of this rapidly decomposing dung heap of a nation. The message must be sent loud and clear – that our people have the freedom to be left alone to live their lives according to White standards, but there is one line that they will not be allowed to cross.
And, as Alex stated – once we have our revolution and the White Ethnostate is ours, the vast majority of White race traitors and White race mixers will either be dead or soon to be dead and devoured by their non-white pets, cannibal fashion.
Luke said: “It is a well known, frequently discussed, and very well documented fact that neither ‘conservatives’ or ‘libertarians’ have either the brains or the gonads to think in racial terms.”
That’s wrong. Many conservatives and libertarians are crypto-racists. They do think in racial terms, although without much depth. Conservatives do not conceive a racial state.
What is your problem, Luke? You seem to have a head full of fantasy and a chip on your shoulder. I certainly didn’t have to “try real hard to be cordial” to Alex in the first hour, as we had talked for at least a half hour the day before over skype in an effortlessly cordial manner.
Over the top. Not the way it was. I was surprised at his “libertarian” views (his almost unqualified support for Ron Paul), which I had not known about. Because I was so comfortable with Alex, I allowed myself a natural reaction. It didn’t and doesn’t bother Alex, so I don’t know why it bothers you. But I vaguely recall being criticized, in a similar way, by you in the past.
Wrong assessment of me, Carolyn. I do not have any ‘chip on my shoulder’ and my head is certainly not full of ‘fantasies’.
I realize that you more than likely have a full time occupation of some kind and that doing these radio interviews and podcasts is being done in your spare time, and I greatly admire you for having the energy and commitment to our cause that you do. Where I get a little impatient is when you or someone else will invite a guest on – someone who’s a well known figure in our pro-White movement – and during the course of the interview it is revealed that the host didn’t do a sufficient amount of research on their guest, such as your professed surprise over Alex Linder’s generally favorable opinion of Ron Paul, except for his publicized positions on the all-important subject of race.
Alex has written at considerable length and posted his essays on his VNN website that discuss his opinions of Ron Paul and he has not pulled any punches with regards to his disdain for the sort of radical, race-denying lunacy that permeates the vast majority of the Libertarian Party’s core supporters. Linder has often made the point that the only possible way a ‘Libertarian’ type of society could ever work – would be in a 100 percent White nation; libertarianism does not appeal to or attract non-whites, most of whom are parasites.
The main point I was trying to make in my earlier comment was that I was surprised and a little disappointed by your ‘moment of a natural reaction’ – because it revealed that you had not researched the well reasoned and often stated opinions of Mr. Linder, and due to your lack of awareness of his positions – you began to accuse him of being inconsistent. Which Alex Linder is most definitely NOT.
As for the feedback about conservatives not thinking in explicit racial terms, I stand by that assertion. Hypocrisy runs very deep inside the conservative mindset, and while very few of them would want to see their daughters bring home a non-white boyfriend – those very same conservative hypocrites will vote for a Republicrat politician who is a globalist and who thinks outsourcing American jobs and American industries to the third world in order to lower labor costs is a great thing – and will supposedly boost the price per share of the company’s stock – all these things appeal to the garden variety conservative, because they think it might help them make some money in the stock market. These numbskulls are too materialistic, too greedy, too selfish, and too short sighted to see this for what it is – race treason that harms their fellow Whites, who lose their jobs to third world cheap labor. So, as many others have said – conservatives really care only about one thing and that is money and profit. Most of them will cast aside the negative racial consequences of their political ideologies – if they think they stand to make a buck.
And, as Hadding said – ‘many libertarians are crypto-racists’ – this may very well be true, and I think it also applies to the vast majority of ‘liberals’. But, being white and being in the closet on the all-important issue of White racial survival is, in my opinion, just as bad as being openly anti-white – because the end result is the same.
You are still fantasizing, Luke. For you to “realize” that I “more than likely have a full time occupation of some kind and that doing these radio interviews and podcasts is being done in your spare time” is a pretty ridiculous realization on your part. Maybe you should use your left brain instead of your right in figuring these things out! I do three different shows a week (without any ‘staff’ I might add, LOL) — do you think that can be done in my spare time?
No, I did not read Alex Linder’s VNN forum posts before the show. I told him that I was not a reader of his forum or any forums. He knew that. There have been an unprecedented (for tWn) 1165 downloads of this program in just 9 days and you are the only person who has expressed a problem with the host (that I know of). Do you think you might have a nit to pick here? Or do you think Alex Linder needs you to go to bat for him?
To Hadding you said: “being in the closet … on white racial issues is as bad as being anti-white.” Speaking of the closet, who are you and where is your real name and your picture on the Internet? I have seen your long posts appearing on comment boards for several years now under the name of Luke. Are you out of the closet?
Luke said: “It is a well known, frequently discussed, and very well documented fact that neither ‘conservatives’ or ‘libertarians’ have either the brains or the gonads to think in racial terms.”
Luke, you have a sense of fun I’ll grant you that.
Where lies this ”…very well documented fact”?
I’d like to examine this documentation: Does it sit gathering dust in coast-to-coast universities, or does it dwell in the caverns of your mind?
Please direct me to it…
I think the White Network has heralded a very exciting time for us really….it’s a place now where (at least to my observation over the past three years) people and personalities who may not have mixed (given their respective fields of focus), are now starting to ‘find’ each other.
I love it!
@ Luke: although I admire your obvious feelings of protection for Alex (he is worth protecting, lol) it sounds to me like you haven’t done your homework on Carolyn 😉
Alex and Carolyn are both gold, and I hope you check out her massive output of work before drawing any further conclusions about her.
July 30, 2012 at 6:57 pm
Where lies this ”…very well documented fact”?
I’d like to examine this documentation: Does it sit gathering dust in coast-to-coast universities, or does it dwell in the caverns of your mind?
Please direct me to it…”
The documented examples of the spineless cowardice on any issue that involves race or even the tiniest hint of ethnic competition between the White descendants of the 100% White Founding Stock & conservative base of the GOP and non-whites are so numerous and plentiful, that I don’t know whether to be nauseated or just plain amused to hear you ask such a ridiculous question, Henry.
Ever heard of Sam Francis and have you spent any appreciable time reading the volumes of his writings? Or, that he was fired from his job at the Washington Times as a direct result of his honest and open discussion of White racial interests? And, who was then ostracized by the GOP? Or, how about Joe Sobran, who suffered a similar fate at the National Review? Or, perhaps you were snoozing when former GOP Senate Majority leader Trent Lott remarked in 2002 that had Strom Thurmond won the Presidency, that we’d sure have a better nation today – and then due to the howls of hysteria that came from the enemy controlled, anti-White media, Lott was forced to ‘apologize’, go onto Black Entertainment Network an grovel like a spineless and gutless weasel, begging for ‘forgiveness’ at the feet of IQ of 85 Africans, but despite this disgusting display of white racial cowardice, Lott was still forced to resign his Majority leader position? Or, how about in 2000 when George W. Bush, convicted war criminal and a sadistic, arrogant, mass murdering, psychopath and an all-around despicably evil snake, spoke at Bob Jones University, who wisely had a campus policy which prohibited interracial dating – and then when the jewish media got wind of that minor effort on the part of the White European race to oppose the jewish genocide program for our race and raised a big stink about it – the little coke-snorting cockroach from Texas quickly showed how spineless he was on defending White racial interests and issued a formal written apology for having given a speech there? Or, how about when this same filthy little worm arranged to secretly have a portrait of Robert E. Lee removed from the wall in the Texas State Capitol building and relocated to some obscure location because he was afraid the enemy controlled media might think that he was a tiny bit sympathic towards the cause of the old Confederacy?
Or, perhaps Henry suffers from ADD and it’s unfair of me to expect him to have done his homework on the spinelessness of ‘conservatives’ and their favorite political party’s long and treacherous history of refusing to defend the perfectly legitimate White racial interests over the last 50 or 60 years? Perhaps Henry needs a more recent example of GOP cowardice in the face of leftist and jewish attacks on our race?
Enter Patrick J. Buchanan and his latest book, Suicide of a Superpower. Where Buchanan merely hinted at what a catastrophe it would be for America for the White European founding stock to be race replaced by massive swarms of non-whites from the third world, who also happen to have pathetically low IQs? MSNBC promptly fired Buchanan and then their top mouthpiece issued a statement that ‘this subject is not suitable for national discourse’. Does Henry remember that? Well, let me ask you Henry – can you name even ONE mainstream conservative or mainstream libertarian politician or spokesman who spoke out in defense of Patrick J. Buchanan? I can think of only Ann Coulter, who did touch on this subject – but even she appeared to be more concerned with the GOP losing it’s ability to win national elections than she was concerned about defending the perfectly legitimate ethnic specific interests of White European people.
Are these a sufficient number of examples to prove my point, Henry?
Oh, and incidentally. Jorge Wmd Boosch couldn’t carry Robert E. Lee’s dirty jockstrap on his best day – and yet, this cocaine brain damaged little cockroach had the audacity to show his disrespect for one of the greatest white men and military generals to ever live?
It’s unlikely that Pat Buchanan was fired from MSNBC for what he said in his book, since he had said it all before. Most likely he was fired because somebody from the Obama Administration contacted MSNBC. Most likely the real motivation was related to Ron Paul or Iran or other Middle-East shenanigans that are ongoing. http://www.theoccidentalobserver.net/2012/03/a-closer-look-at-what-happened-to-pat-buchanan-part-1/
It amazes me how, when you can point out that there is a better explanation, people will keep going back to the familiar one.
As I thought: this ”…well known, frequently discussed, and very well documented fact” is simply a product of your own wishful thinking – an all-too-common failing with online ‘activists’.
Like so many others, you tend to exaggerate the importance of particular commentators who may have shined a light on things as you like to see them, however, your singular opinion means nothing to 99.9% of the electorate who remain in the dark and wouldn’t have a clue as to what you’re describing.
Beyond the confines of cyberspace the need for ”gonads” when thinking in racial terms is not something ”frequently discussed” in academe or the MSM, and never has been.
Notwithstanding the merits of Francis and Buchanan, what you’ve described as ”well known” is in fact arcane at best.