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Guilt and Pride

George Carlin on national and ethnic pride:

I saw a slogan on a guy’s car that said “Proud to be an American” and I thought “What the fuck does that mean?”

I’ve never understood national pride. I’ve never understood ethnic pride.

I’m Irish. All four of my grandparents were Irish, and when I was a kid I would go to the St Patrick’s Day parade and they sold a button that said “Proud to be Irish”, but I knew that on Columbus day they sold the same button only it said “Proud to be Italian”, then came Black Pride, and Puerto Rican Pride. And I could never understand ethnic or national pride, because to me Pride should be reserved for something you achieve or attain on your own, not something that happens by accident of birth.

Being Irish isn’t a skill. It’s a fucking genetic accident.

You wouldn’t say I’m proud to be 5’11″. You wouldn’t be proud to have a pre-disposition for colon cancer.

. . .

If you’re happy, that’s fine. Happy to be an American. Be happy, don’t be proud. There’s too much pride as it is. Remember: Pride goeth before a fall.

Arthur Schopenhauer:

The cheapest form of pride however is national pride. For it reveals in the one thus afflicted the lack of individual qualities of which he could be proud, while he would not otherwise reach for what he shares with so many millions. He who possesses significant personal merits will rather recognise the defects of his own nation, as he has them constantly before his eyes, most clearly. But that poor blighter who has nothing in the world of which he can be proud, latches onto the last means of being proud, the nation to which he belongs to. Thus he recovers and is now in gratitude ready to defend with hands and feet all errors and follies which are its own.

Arthur Schopenhauer, from Wikipedia:

Schopenhauer believed that humans were motivated by only their own basic desires, or Wille zum Leben (“Will to Live”), which directed all of mankind.[25]

For Schopenhauer, human desire was futile, illogical, directionless, and, by extension, so was all human action in the world. He wrote “Man can indeed do what he wants, but he cannot will what he wants”.

Pride, from Wikipedia:

Pride is an inwardly directed emotion that carries two common meanings. With a negative connotation, pride refers to an inflated sense of one’s personal status or accomplishments, often used synonymously with hubris. With a positive connotation, pride refers to a satisfied sense of attachment toward one’s own or another’s choices and actions, or toward a whole group of people, and is a product of praise, independent self-reflection, or a fulfilled feeling of belonging.

Pride can also manifest itself as a high opinion of one’s nation (national pride) and ethnicity (ethnic pride).

Asian pride emerged prominently during European colonialism.[21] At one time, Europeans controlled 85% of the world’s land through colonialism, resulting in anti-Western feelings among Asian nations.[21] Today, some Asians still look upon European involvement in their affairs with suspicion.[21] In contrast, Asian empires are prominent and are proudly remembered by adherents to Asian Pride.

The slogan [Black Pride] has been used by African Americans (especially of sub-Saharan African origin) to denote a feeling of self-confidence, self-respect, celebrating one’s heritage, and being proud of one’s personal worth. Black pride as a national movement is closely linked with the developments of the American Civil Rights Movement

White pride is a slogan used primarily in the United States to agitate for a white race identity and is traditionally closely aligned with white supremacy, white separatism, and other extreme manifestations of white racism.

White pride, from Wikipedia:

White pride is a slogan indicating pride in being white. The slogan has been adopted by neo-Nazi and white supremacist organizations.

White pride advocates claim that there is a cultural double standard in which only certain ethnic groups are permitted to openly express pride in their heritage, and that white pride is not inherently racist, being roughly analogous to racial positions such as Asian pride, black pride, or non-racial forms such as gay pride.

Criticism

Philosopher David Ingram argues that “affirming ‘black pride’ is not equivalent to affirming ‘white pride,’ since the former—unlike the latter—is a defensive strategy aimed at rectifying a negative stereotype”.[10] By contrast, then, “affirmations of white pride—however thinly cloaked as affirmations of ethnic pride—serve to mask and perpetuate white privilege”.

Letter to the Editor: Support white history, culture, by Matthew Heimbach, The Towerlight at Towson University, 2 September 2012. Heimbach’s conclusion:

We must protect the security of Europeans and a future for the next generation.

This was followed a few days later by Interest for White Student Union grows, at The Towerlight, 5 September 2012:

Sophomore music education major Liam Hurlbut said he believes it is unfair for white students to have their own union.

“White power movements are illegitimate,” he said. “In the history of this country, whites never lost their power. They have always run this country and oppressed all other races. Even today whites have unearned ‘privileges’ in our society. Whites must recognize and reject this privileges to atone for the evils of our ancestors.”

Guilt and pride are opposites. The more time and energy you expend feeling guilty, the less you can feel pride, and at the same time, the more pride you feel, the less inclined you will be to accept guilt. Attacking White pride, in effect, helps inflict White guilt.

Pride arising from a satisfied sense of attachment toward one’s own kind and fulfilled feeling of belonging is perfectly normal and natural, even for Whites.

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  1. Carl

    If I were in college today, I would be head over heels about a White student union. I’d be in it all the time, we’d play chess, we’d have music, we’d have parties, we’d be ourselves, AND, we’d be activists. Great ep, Tan.

  2. Carl

    I had a wacky idea earlier today. I think there may be a few trolls about. You know, people who try to slant a discussion just a bit, to keep progress from happening. Usually these will be either Jews or people who are asleep in the Jews. Well, it might be fun to include in the comment area a checkbox requiring commentators to assent to something like: “I hereby affirm that the systematic killing of Jews alleged to occur during World War II is a myth and a lie, and that the Jews themselves perpetrated this lie, to the great detriment of the White race.” Imagine the poor interloper, having to check something against his conscience all the time! lol Well, even that probably wouldn’t stop them.

    I was reminded of this fun idea by the notion of the White student union. Their big problem will be Jews, even if they don’t know it. Jews look like us (to some extent) but have no loyalty to us.

  3. Carl, I like the way you think. I’d phrase it, “Checking this box signifies that I accept and abide the 14 Words: We must secure the existence of our people and a future for White children.”

  4. Carl

    The 14 words! Very nice. Who knows, maybe Carolyn and Hadding will also like the notion.

    On the subject of discussion, I have one other observation. I think it is important not to waste the hosts’ time. It is a huge amount of work to research, and to be an ongoing serious student (i.e. one who studies, not merely one who is enrolled somewhere). And to produce a show, and to stay in the flow of all the facts and important ideas. So always remember, anything that sidetracks the hosts makes it harder for them to do that most important thing: make great shows. Shows are what influence. Shows are downloaded and played. Comments are useful to an extent, but not when they become a distraction. $0.02.

  5. Franklin Ryckaert

    Schopenhauer is right when he says that people who have little reason to be proud of in their personal life often resort to “national pride” as a means of compensation. But on reflection, what is actually wrong with that? Isn’t it natural that the vast majority of any ethnic group consists of unremarkable people? No great scientists, artists, philosophers or statesmen, just ordinary folk? But being proud of owne’s own group means being proud of its greatest achievements and being inspired by its greatest men and I think that is a positive thing.In this way the masses are lifted upon a higher plane than their daily existence. Since man is a social being and gifted individuals are far and between, this is the mechanism by which the masses evolve.

    As for White Pride being frowned upon, while any other ethnic pride is actively encouraged, that is the typical double standard that is part and parcel of “anti-racism” which is only code for “anti-white”.
    Anti-White activism is not an attempt to curb socalled white “racism” or “supremacism” ( which hardly exist anymore), not even to rectify historical wrongs, it is aimed at the dispossession and eventual genocide of Whites themselves. Reason the more for Whites to insist on the right of White Pride, Jews, cultural Marxists and non-Whites suffering from inferiority complexes be damned.

    The advantage of White Pride of course is that it can be based on substantial claims. While other races such as Blacks have to resort to fictitious claims such as “Black inventions” or that the ancient Egyptians were Black, Whites don’t need such capers : nearly 90% of the world’s civilizations were created by Whites.

  6. Dutch listener

    George Carlin: Being Irish isn’t a skill. It’s a fucking genetic accident. You wouldn’t say I’m proud to be 5’11″. You wouldn’t be proud to have a pre-disposition for colon cancer.

    This is silly. It means he feels it’s even wrong to be proud of his own children. They aren’t skills either. They are indeed fucking genetic accidents…

    Being proud of your children (immediate family) is not too different from being proud of your people (extended family) in an evolutionary sense. It’s entirely normal, adaptive and moral.

    Thanks Tan, and succes with the show!

  7. Carl

    I think that in a small way, the little people are justifiably proud of their race, because the same traits that produce the greats are evident in the more average members. And there is furthermore a natural empathy that exists, in healthy people, among the various groups. I have no affinity for an Indian basket-weaver, but a White craftsman is my kin, whether I am a high- or low-achiever. For example, I have seen a craftsman create a replacement for a door part. He might as well be stroking an antique violin before an audience. So the little people needn’t fear that they are merely taking refuge in their betters. They share in the traits that make us all. :)

  8. Carl

    Incidentally, I was half-kidding about having a checkbox to weed out some nincompoops. Who knows, it might work! But, pursuant to that notion, I have had a second thought about using the 14 words. You see, the Jew, who is very sly, will surely agree. “Sure,” he’d say, “let’s have the White race survive. Where else am I going to get nice White women to plunder? And they do such great work! Let’s see, we’ll let them live in northern Russia and Siberia.” (See the NYT today for a video clip about would-be models flocking to Siberia from along the railway lines, looking for a better life.) And so you see, the 14 words would please the Jew only too much. No, only a patent rejection of the “Holocaust”– and not giving it that name either because many mass-killings have occurred, and we were the victims–only a patent rejection of the Holohoax will truly violate their consciences. Not that this will really keep them out! lol But in general, I regard the rejection of the Holohoax as the true beginning of insight, the start of wisdom, a clean awakening underway. Rejecting 9-11 isn’t good enough. It has to be the Holohoax. $0.02

  9. Robert Lloyd

    >>Schopenhauer is right when he says that people who have little reason to be proud of in their personal life often resort to “national pride” as a means of compensation. But on reflection, what is actually wrong with that? Isn’t it natural that the vast majority of any ethnic group consists of unremarkable people? No great scientists, artists, philosophers or statesmen, just ordinary folk?<<

    Franklin, I believe your 'reflection' is of absolute importance in the understanding of what is going on in this world. We can look at any issue and see it positively or negatively, and that is why Jewish ownership of the media is so criminal. You simply took the Schopenhauer quote and merely stated the obvious (as in the emperor has no clothes) and properly refuted his negative perception and put it into a positive!

    I believe one of our founding fathers also had a similar quote concerning nationalists being scoundrels, and they were before Schopenhauer. And anyone reading about Schopenhauer can see that he was a truly negative person. In no way would he be a leader of men.

    If he is the epitome of an articulate intellectual, I am proudly a scoundrel.

  10. Edgardus de la Vega

    Franklin Ryckaert states:

    >>Schopenhauer is right when he says that people who have little reason to be proud of in their personal life often resort to “national pride” as a means of compensation. But on reflection, what is actually wrong with that? Isn’t it natural that the vast majority of any ethnic group consists of unremarkable people? No great scientists, artists, philosophers or statesmen, just ordinary folk? But being proud of one’s own group means being proud of its greatest achievements and being inspired by its greatest men and I think that is a positive thing.In this way the masses are lifted upon a higher plane than their daily existence. Since man is a social being and gifted individuals are far and between, this is the mechanism by which the masses evolve.<< (End quote)

    An excellent, excellent point; this statement alone carries the power (i.e. plain common sense) to silence those anti-whites against our cause for European survival & perpetuation.

    The multi-culturalist viewpoint is gradually running out of oxygen. What can only come next is a new pan-European breath.

  11. Carl

    I wouldn’t be surprised if the greats were just a little bit peevish about their own incompetence in the crafts. Crafts are much harder than they look! Just try to acquire one!!

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