“Let him work.” – Carolyn Yeager
Note: Several UPDATES have been attached at the end of this page:
- 30 April 2014
- 30 April 2014 #2
- 1 May 2014
- 20 May 2014
- 28 June 2014
- 25 Aug 2015
- 9 Sep 2015
- 22 Jul 2016
- 6 Nov 2017
- 24 Jan 2019
This site is dedicated to what the White network was originally about, motivated by a desire and hope for the information here to continue serving and educating White people.
With the exception of this page and a few other minor changes, the contents of this site are a copy of the now defunct thewhitenetwork.com, as it stood on the evening of 15 April 2014, its last day of active operation. Old URLs can be “fixed” by changing http://thewhitenetwork.com/ to http://thewhitenetwork-archive.com/ – i.e., by simply inserting “-archive” before the “.com” Search engines will eventually figure out that the site has moved.
What happened?
In short, tWn started and operated for almost two years as a joint project, the product of a partnership between Carolyn Yeager and myself. I ended that project and partnership when it became clear to me that the mutual understanding and trust on which it was based had ended. The comments attached below flesh out how this happened, documenting why tWn is no longer accessible at it’s original location and why this archive exists instead.
On 15 April 2014 I posted My Mistake and The End to explain that I had changed my mind, decided to end my partnership with and support for Carolyn, and why I sought to use what control I had over the server to change tWn into a read-only archive. Within 24 hours Carolyn used her control over the hosting account to redirect the DNS for thewhitenetwork.com to carolynyeager.net, effectively taking the original site offline. That server and its files remained accessible via its old IP address for less than 24 more hours before it stopped responding.
During this time Carolyn posted Meltdown for Tanstaafl at her blog (I refer to this below as her melodrama-down) and left several comments on tWn – The End at my blog. Almost all of the comments quoted below were copied from one of these two pages.
Especially now in retrospect, the disagreement between Carolyn and myself is easy to explain. Carolyn thought tWn was literally all about her. I did not. She thought my support and participation was unconditional and irrevocable. I did not. I regarded the tWn About page as the basis for our partnership. It was my assumption that she agreed on this point. This is what motivated me to actively support her and her work in the first place. It was only when I saw her becoming increasingly hostile to this point that I lost any desire to continue working with and supporting her. Once this happened I made as swift and clean an end to our partnership as possible. The fruit of our project I have worked to preserve.
Carolyn’s response was also swift, but vindictive and dishonest as well. She quickly moved to delete the explanation I had made of our dispute and what I had done, even though to do so she had to take down the rest of tWn along with it. She then melodramatically mischaracterized our disagreement as a one-sided “meltdown” “out of left field”, and impugned my motives and actions as petty, paranoid, bullshit, beserk (sic), dishonest, devious, irresponsible, criminally unfair, and even treasonous. I’m confident that more hysterical accusations are yet to come.
One of Carolyn’s themes has been to make gossipy comments that I previously told her this or that in private, or won’t say this or that in public. Beside substantiating my doubts about her trustworthiness, these are arrogant attempts to speak for me, as if she knows my mind better than I do.
Another of Carolyn’s themes is, “Tan changed”. Indeed. My opinion about Carolyn changed. My trust in her evaporated. For her however this “Tan changed” idea plays into her assertions that she did nothing wrong, because it was Tan that is totally wrong, because he changed his opinion about Carolyn. This too is arrogant – ignoring or contradicting the reasons I’ve actually provided and instead annointing herself as the moral keystone I’m supposedly guilty of violating.
In an attempt to demonstrate how nasty I am, Carolyn unwittingly provided yet another good example of her own arrogance, trying to dictate how or where I could express my opinion:
[4/11/2014 6:56:45 PM] Carolyn Yeager: You know, Tan, I am not too happy about being grilled by you on my own program comments. It really seems you could speak to me privately before you go on the attack in public. … no answer …
This statement and more contradict Carolyn’s portrayal of our disagreement as a sudden one-sided overreaction by me, made solely in response to her White Nationalism, Eurasianism, and the future of Western Europe program on the 12th. In her melodrama-down she explicitly identified me as the sole source of the problem, which she claimed “came straight out of left field”. We see here though that on the 11th she was already identifying our disagreement as an “attack” and scolding me for it. As I pointed out in My Mistake, it was Carolyn’s trashing of White nationalism that precipitated our disagreement. This traces back to written comments she made at least as far as the 5th (see the comments of HTT – Episode 5). I think indications actually go back months earlier to more nebulous on-air statements expressing her distaste for White nationalism as a label, though I don’t recall which specific program(s).
Carolyn also complained about “White PC”, and she linked it to her trashing of White nationalism. She had directly named only one person as being guilty of this offense. Myself. After scolding me in private on the 11th she scolded me in public on the 12th, just before her program:
I think you are expressing the very political correctness at work in “Internet WN” that I have been complaining about lately.
At the time I considered making a further public response, but instead let it go unchallenged, in part because I had somewhere else to go and in part out of deference to the sensitivities of my former partner.
Later, in her melodrama-down, Carolyn pretended this exchange never happened and that I was “paranoid” to note the growing rift between us. She wrote:
Tan said “One of the White Nationalists she’s thinking about is me.” I had not thought about him whatsoever during the April 12 show, or ever unless I am talking specifically about him. How does he know what I’m thinking? He doesn’t, that’s the answer. But now I realize something: Tan feels his credibility as a WN is fragile because of his wife and kids. He suddenly got the idea that I was going to destroy what credibility he has … and on purpose! That has to be it. He says he doesn’t care what people think, nothing bothers him, but it’s not true. And right there is his paranoia: that I am purposely trying to hurt him. I don’t feel my credibility is fragile, that’s why I can speak the way I do.
Tan said we’ve talked about this before, so I knew that I would be upsetting him. We talked about this on Saturday evening, April 12 after I finished posting my Saturday show – the one he’s upset about. That’s the only time.
Plenty of things bother me. For example, being psychopathologized by someone who’s so blatantly either forgetting or lying about what happened. I’m bothered also by Carolyn’s arrogance, on display again here with her insisting that I don’t know what she’s thinking but she knows what I’m thinking.
One significant point about Carolyn’s program on the 12th is that she explicitly stated her intent to provoke an angry response. In one of her gossipy comments at my blog she made another unwitting admission. In this case it was that she had informed me what kind of response she was expecting:
I advised you in our hour skype conversation (rather grilling of Carolyn) to express your own feelings about it in your program.
It was when Carolyn got a different reaction than she expected, one she couldn’t just brush off like she had before, that she very suddenly exhibited a dramatic change in attitude. She developed amnesia about our prior exchanges, her trashing of White nationalism and her deliberate effort to provoke angry responses. She started playing the faultless and surprised little lamb, unfairly ambushed by big bad devious Tan. Her attempt to delete my argument and evidence to the contrary was just another volley in the game she says I was paranoid to suspect she was playing.
Though it only came to light after I had ended my partnership with her, Carolyn’s rationale for shutting down the original server and appropriating tWn’s funds strikes me as a most telling expression of her selfishness, sense of entitlement and previously latent hostility. I base this opinion especially on these statements she has made since I emancipated her from “White PC” (taken from both her blog and mine, ordered chronologically):
After he took the irresponsible and criminally unfair decision to shut me out of my own network, he now wants to make it appear that I am the bad one if I don’t continue to pay to keep it online as a memorial to his “work.” That really says it all about the devious Tanstaafl.
there is no way money to pay the server for years. And why should I be responsible for what YOU want, as you want it?
You say you “expected me to do such and such because that’s what the donations were for.” Well, I expected you to leave the site up and intact even if you didn’t want to stay there yourself. You actually promised me that, while I never told you I would pay to keep the site up after you closed me out of it and then proceeded to insult me … I had not insulted you.
The donations mostly came because of me and I’m the only one who talked about them and even asked for them and took care of the paypal account. You NEVER did since you didn’t pay for anything, but now you want to decide what they should go for. Why people don’t see through your incredible hypocrisy here I don’t know.
On the server, I knew Tan had the site backed up. So now he has some work to do to reconstruct it. Good. Let him work. And let him get himself a server … and a new domain name. There was no reason for me to continue providing for him. His paranoid conjectures that I closed the server in order to “delete the site forever” is wrong, since I understand back-ups. I don’t want to make it easy for Tan, as he has certainly made it difficult for me, in addition to playing so dirty against me. He makes himself out to be a hero here on his Blog, but any impartial observer who knew the facts would not agree.
FYI, it was I who took down the website. Since I was closed out of it, I was not going to do any favors and take care of keeping it up, with the possibility of it starting up again without me. I’m not a doormat.
I guess you could say Tan took the site down when he shut me out and declared there would be no more broadcasts, posts or comments. It became just a big archive of old stuff. Tan used his power because he could. But I had power too, so I used it – trransferring the domain name to my other server and then declaring I would not pay for TWN server anymore. He can bring most of the site back, but it won’t be the same.
I very deliberately did not take down the old tWn server out of concern to preserve the existing work and use the extant funds for the purpose they were originally solicited and provided. Carolyn’s misinterpretation of my motives as self-serving and devious is a window into her own mind. Despite her insinuations to the contrary, I considered the affect of my actions on others, including Paul Hickman. She did not.
Carolyn shut down the old server before she knew there was any viable backup. Wallowing in her own grievances, she openly gloated at the prospect that shutting down that server would harm me and diminish the existing body of work. This is no paranoid conjecture, it is a fair description of what she actually did.
Carolyn handled all tWn funds. This was part of our division of labor. I had no idea she resented the arrangement and see no cause for it. I could crow about the unique burdens I bore, some which were purely for her benefit, but it is irrelevant. Partners do different things to make a partnership work. What is relevant is that I trusted her with the money. Her mismanagement makes her look bad. My misplaced trust and misjudgment of her makes me look bad.
The most incredible hypocrisy I see is in Carolyn’s own bluster. She has in the past been inquisitive and even critical about the management of donations by people and organizations she had no direct involvement in. She can blame me for being whatever kind of scoundrel she wants – it doesn’t relieve her of her responsibility to properly manage and account for tWn’s funds.
Furthermore, it is dishonest for Carolyn to imply that tWn cost her money. From what I recall her telling me, tWn’s donors paid for everything. Their donations long ago covered her initial outlays and more than covered the ongoing expenses. When she declared, “I would not pay for TWN server anymore”, what she was declaring was that she would no longer transfer other people’s money from one tWn account to another and intended to use that money for non-tWn purposes instead. She had informed me that there were significant donations specifically earmarked for what she now dismissively refers to as my “work”. Hopefully she kept records. She should disclose whatever specifics she has.
I hope it is clear that I have tried to remain focused on the comments and disagreement between Carolyn and myself. Carolyn is much more keen to engage and complain about what other people have to say. I’ve tried to make it easy for anyone who is skeptical about the opinions and conclusions I’ve expressed here to go read or listen to the original words in their original context. I have provided copies below of what I consider the most relevant comments, just in case they should disappear from where they were originally posted.
From tWn – The End:
Tanstaafl said…
Peter, my decision had nothing to do with Frazier Glenn Miller.
It did have to do with respect. Self-respect and even more so, respect for the purpose which tWn was created and intended to serve. If a person says they can abide the 14 words, but really can’t, then it would be counter-productive to try and continue working with them.
4/15/2014 09:30:00 PM
Tanstaafl said…
I’m not interested in her he-said-she-said personal drama, so I will keep this response brief and to the point. It may also help answer Mary and katana’s concerns.
The bottom line is that I voluntarily entered into a partnership with Carolyn to pursue this. When it became clear to me that she could not abide that I decided to divorce myself from that partnership.
I have gone one step farther by taking with me what I had brought to the partnership – the recording/broadcasting/blogging system itself. I would not have done so if I had simply changed my mind about what was important to me and decided to do something else. I deprived her of the system I built because I saw a pattern of behavior that I couldn’t abide. She herself referred to it as “going off the reservation” and “questioning” “sacred cows”. She was complaining more and more bitterly about “rah rah” and “White PC”, and openly denigrating “White nationalism”. She was not simply going beyond or outside what we had agreed our partnership was about, but counter to it, against it.
If I’m wrong, and she really does love the White race, love White nationalism, and believe in the 14 words, then wherever she goes she’ll carry that with her and demonstrate it. I don’t believe she will, because I don’t think my assessment of the divide between us is wrong. At any rate, from this point on, everyone will know that if she does something, or complains she’s not allowed to do something, that it has nothing whatsoever to do with me.
4/16/2014 10:43:00 AM
Tanstaafl said…
Her programs, and mine, will remain available where they are for as long as Carolyn decides to pay the bills for the server. I don’t know the numbers but it is my understanding that the donations more than covered tWn expenses, so even with no new funds there should be enough to cover several months or even years.
I direct concerns on this point to her. Only she can say what she will do, or how long the funds will last. I hope I’m wrong but I fear she will pull the plug as soon as she can and direct the remaining funds into her other projects.
4/16/2014 12:02:00 PM
Tanstaafl said…
Well, there you have it. Carolyn is so proud of tWn and her work there that she has taken it down, or at least redirected the DNS for it.
The server is still there. The IP address is 108.175.9.251. To access the site (for the time being) you will have to edit your hosts file.
For those who object to the abruptness of what I did, or think it was due to some minor difference in attitude, here is your answer. I put tWn on permanent hold. She has taken it offline.
4/16/2014 12:16:00 PM
carolyn yeager said…
What bullshit all this is. I am anti-White; I don’t follow the 14 words. In what way is one to follow them? Do you? The “About” that you love so much says clearly, “Jews are not White.” Your wife and children are non-White. That’s why you were so content to stay in the background, but now suddenly you’ve decided to take charge.
I advised you in our hour skype conversation (rather grilling of Carolyn) to express your own feelings about it in your program. Instead you spent a half hour tearing me down in ways that were not at all accurate. While you were still fighting Arabs and embracing Jews, I had a website up in 2007 (of my own creation) with the domain name of White Women Only. Don’t preach to me about being White.
And it is true, plenty of White Nationalists are pricks. There’s no denying it.
Plus, there is no way money to pay the server for years. And why should I be responsible for what YOU want, as you want it?
4/16/2014 12:23:00 PM
Tanstaafl said…
Beside making the body of tWn’s content unavailable, what Carolyn has done makes it more difficult for others to see why it is unavailable.
I have copies of everything, but it will take me some time to make them available somehow. Her podcasts and posts are available elsewhere. Mine aren’t. I had expected her to honor the tWn donors and keep the site up. My mistake, again.
. . .
4/16/2014 12:58:00 PM
Tanstaafl said…
Carolyn’s response here is an example of what I faced any time I expressed any concern with what she was doing or how she was doing it. Strawmen. Insults. It’s all about what a bad person I am for disagreeing with her.
Whatever. That’s over now.
I expected her to keep tWn up because others find it valuable, and specifically because that’s what the donations were intended for. I have never expected her to do anything for me.
She is angry and lashing out at me personally because I am no longer going to be doing anything for her. She’s free now to say everything she always wanted to say about me but didn’t because she was afraid I would stop helping her. The worse she tries to make it sound the worse it reflects on her for working with me.
4/16/2014 01:23:00 PM
carolyn yeager said…
Tan says: Carolyn’s response here is an example of what I faced any time I expressed any concern with what she was doing or how she was doing it. Strawmen. Insults. It’s all about what a bad person I am for disagreeing with her.
An absolute lie. Your “concerns”, mostly from faggots trying to cover up for their friends or from someone like Rodney Martin, were always calmly answered by me. I’m at a disadvantage typing in this crummy little box provided by the crummy little FREE, no-questions-asked blogger.com.
I never insulted you and I never argued with you and I never called you names. You were the super-sensitive one about your “private life” and your “time available”, not me. You are right now being the prime example of playing the victim, not me.
You say you “expected me to do such and such because that’s what the donations were for.” Well, I expected you to leave the site up and intact even if you didn’t want to stay there yourself. You actually promised me that, while I never told you I would pay to keep the site up after you closed me out of it and then proceeded to insult me … I had not insulted you.
The donations mostly came because of me and I’m the only one who talked about them and even asked for them and took care of the paypal account. You NEVER did since you didn’t pay for anything, but now you want to decide what they should go for. Why people don’t see through your incredible hypocrisy here I don’t know. But I suppose some will eventually unless their brains are on hold. However, I do realize it’s a man thing. Most men are going to stand with other men, right or wrong.
As to Signifier, who said “CY lost sight of the purpose of the website.” And you know what the purpose of the website was, Sig? No, you don’t, only what Tan has now said it was. The real purpose of the website was to broadcast my programs. We together agreed to have a mission statement and stuff like that to look more professional, but the only thing Tan wanted to stress was some emphasis on American WN. Well, I kept that up better than he did, interviewing one WN after another, when I had hardly ever done so previously. So was Tan trying to force me into some new mold? No, because he never complained at all about my show topics. So these are all canards because it is Tanstaafl that has “changed” and lost sight of his purpose for the website. He said many times in public that his only desire was to enable me to do radio broadcasts. I was a little embarrassed by that. Then came ONE PROGRAM that struck him wrong on April 16, and he went beserk. Now you tell me who has the problem?
The crux of the matter is, I KNOW of the many conversations between us in over two years, and what they were like. But I’m more easy-going than Tan. I say what I think and don’t carry grudges, but it appears Tan has difficulty saying what he really thinks and does carry grudges. He feels he’s been suffering, oh woe.
I’m okay with what’s happened, now it’s so clear what I’m dealing with. But Tan wants to set it up so that if I’m not a passionate, devoted WN from here on in, it proves him right. Heads I win, tails you lose. Good luck to you all; I have my own pastures to graze in.
4/16/2014 02:47:00 PM
Tanstaafl said…
“The real purpose of the website was to broadcast my programs.”
Exactly. That’s what YOU thought it was about. Whereas I thought, and thought you agreed, it was about what we put in the tWn About page. This was my mistake.
“if I’m not a passionate, devoted WN from here on in, it proves him right”
All you have to do to prove me wrong is actually act as if you take what was in the tWn About page seriously. You can’t, which is why I want nothing further to do with you.
If my complaints are bullshit, why have you tried to hide what they are, even though you had to take everything else offline to do so?
4/16/2014 03:27:00 PM
Tanstaafl said…
A more mature response would have been to communicate to Carolyn about his serious issue with her criticism of a broad based ‘white nationalism’….(On her show, she even said that the Knights site was new to her and she was unsure of it
I did communicate with Carolyn. She brushed my concerns off. She thought tWn was all about whatever she wanted and that I had no real say. My response was to put tWn in read-only mode. This was not a careless or abrupt decision. Her WN-trashing goes back before Saturday. In that program she makes our conflict and her intent to provoke an angry reaction clear. She thought I would bite my tongue, or at worst, leave tWn to her. She miscalculated.
Her response was to reroute the DNS, making it difficult to get to. Now the server is no longer responding via its old IP, meaning it is likely gone for good. A more mature response would have been for her to use the donations to keep tWn running as an archive, because good work had been done, and others will miss it. But her programs are already archived elsewhere, and from her comment above it’s clear she feels justified using the remaining tWn donations for herself. It’s just another indication that she thought tWn was all about her.
I think I have the files necessary to provide a read-only mirror of tWn, but it will take me some time to set up. I’ll make sure it includes an explanation of Carolyn’s attempt to delete it forever.
4/17/2014 11:05:00 AM
carolyn yeagerc said…
There is serious mis-quoting going on in these comments, with no attempt by Tan to correct them even though he knows better. All these anonymous trolls, Tan! Really, where has your moderation gone? It was Tan who upbraided me in the skype conversation I reported on for “paying attention to what trolls are saying about you; why do you let them bother you?” Now here they are at AoT and Tan loves them. I’m glad my site has more dignity.
For example, it was not I who ever said “The White Network is all about me.” It was Tan who said he created it for me so I would continue doing programs; on several occasions he said it. One time was when he was on Kyle Hunt’s program. I was only pointing out what he has said, and he never said differently. Even the most ignorant and illiterate among you should be able to follow that. However, you’re all about twisting what’s been said, on purpose.
Another lie is that I brought up Tan’s family in some disparaging way. But it’s always been I who’s stood up against this criticism of Tan; Tan himself never has. What I said actually said was that Tan is going on about the “About” page like he is an Oliver Cromwell and it was Holy Scripture. So I pointed out the most important line in it, to him. It’s his mantra.
To Anonymous who said: “Yeah, the hundreds of hours spent on site setup and maintenance, as well as acting as audio engineer for every show had nothing to do with the donations.” FYI, Tan did not act as “audio engineer” for each show, he was not even around half the time. TWN was expressly designed so that wouldn’t be necessary. Plus, however many hours Tan spent, he wanted to do it, it was his choice to build it himself … these hours were matched by my hundreds, nay thousands of hours preparing for 5 hours of programs a week for two years. I also chose to do it, but there wouldn’t have been much there without me. Ignorant people like you, who probably never even listened to TWN shows, should not be loud-mouthing about what you know not.
Now to Tan’s description of our one hour skype conversation, in which I answered all his questions as patiently and as sincerely as I could. When he had nothing more to say, I told him I was quite willing to talk more if he wanted – I would be available all that night and all the next day (Sunday.) He said okay, but I never heard from him again. Now he characterizes it as: “She brushed my concerns off.” I’m sorry but I have a hard time taking his concerns about me seriously, and so do many people. I never got caught up with “concerns” about him.
Tan says a lot of things about people privately that he won’t say publicly, similar to Deanna Spingola and so many others. I brought that up. His answer was, as usual, that he doesn’t like to confront people, doesn’t want to stir up controversy. Okay. But I am willing to do that. We’re different.
On the server, I knew Tan had the site backed up. So now he has some work to do to reconstruct it. Good. Let him work. And let him get himself a server … and a new domain name. There was no reason for me to continue providing for him. His paranoid conjectures that I closed the server in order to “delete the site forever” is wrong, since I understand back-ups. I don’t want to make it easy for Tan, as he has certainly made it difficult for me, in addition to playing so dirty against me. He makes himself out to be a hero here on his Blog, but any impartial observer who knew the facts would not agree.
Please be aware that I don’t give you permission to include my programs, my program posts or my blog posts on your read-only site. I will send you a formal communication about this. Finally, I have to say that you, as a computer expert, should have done a better job of backing it up. I’m amazed at your negligence. You never expected this to happen? Well, I never expected what happened to me, either.
4/17/2014 07:19:00 PM
Tanstaafl said…
Every time you make one of these bitter, vindictive comments you demonstrate that my assessment of the situation was right.
“mis-quoting” “trolls” “my site has more dignity”
You don’t have dignity. You have an echo chamber. And this isn’t it.
“There was no reason for me to continue providing for him.”
Our partnership is over. You are free to provide for someone else now.
4/17/2014 08:45:00 PM
Tanstaafl said…
I’ve been travelling and incommunicado for the past week but would like to respond to this:
Carolyn’s claim that there was no disagreement between us is part of the disagreement between us. She thought tWn was all about her. I didn’t.
“Tan agreed with me 100% on Rodney” “Tan was OK on everything I had done on TWN”
Carolyn Yeager does not speak for me. Beyond that, she’s lying. She’s gone from brushing off the concerns I expressed in private to publicly pretending that I never expressed any concerns.
I regret ever trusting or associating with her.
4/26/2014 01:33:00 AM
Here is Carolyn’s melodrama-down, Meltdown for Tanstaafl, in it’s entirety:
Written on 4-15-14 by Carolyn Yeager
UNBELIEVABLE. I never expected something like this, which came straight out of left field for me. Tan made sure I would suspect nothing. He closed me out of The White Network admin pages minutes before his taped program began. I always thought Tan was an honest straight shooter, but he is not shooting straight presently. Something happened. And it happened since April 12, just 3 days ago!! But what is not altogether new to me is Tan’s paranoia, or extremely suspicious mind. I’ve experienced quite a bit of it from him, which I can go into if necessary.
One thing Tan said to me at least a year ago, if not longer ago, in all sincerity at the time, was that if he decided to leave tWn for some reason, or if something happened to him so that he could not continue, I could continue to do my shows because it was a self-perpetuating system. It would continue to operate automatically, basically. He designed it that way. I felt pretty good about that and certainly believed he would never have any evil intentions toward me.
Well, somebody has changed in this relationship based on mutual trust and it is not me. I am saying the same things I have always said, as pertains to the White race, White Nationalism, White anything. If anyone goes through my Heretics’ Hour programs going 4 years back, available at http://carolynyeager.net under “Radio Archives,” that will be obvious. Tan was listening to my programs all the time that I was at Voice of Reason and he loved and learned from all my mainly German-oriented topics. He said so to me and to the listeners on his own shows. Now he says Carolyn Yeager doesn’t like Whites, she only likes Germans.
Here are some FACTS:
I wrote the “About” page for The White Network that he went on and on about in his “final show.” Totally. Tan said it was perfect and had no editing to suggest.
[Ironically, she was forced to paste a copy of the contents of the About page here because she had made the original page it was on inaccessible. – Tan]
I suggested he add the 14 Words to our About page. Yes, true! Tan developed the website and put things where they are. I didn’t change anything, left it to him. But the Fourteen Words were not on the About page until I told him they should be. I even suggested they be on the front page, but he ignored that and put them on the About page. Sure, he agreed with it, but had forgotten to do so.
I came up with the name The White Network. Tan liked it and wanted to use it, but it was my idea completely. The domain name belongs to me.
I suggested he put “Whites talking to Whites about White Interests” on the banner under the name, which he did. But I believe he first came up with the phrase.
I put up the money for whatever was needed. He thought that was a fair exchange (no donations yet) for his time and skill spent in making it work. But another reason was because he doesn’t want his real name associated with anything to do with TWN – not even a post office box.
I skyped Tan at least two months ago, telling him I wanted to read Hitler’s Table Talk after we finished The International Jew and asked if he had any objection. I thought he might. But he answered back, “Not at all. I think it’s a great idea.” This month he himself selected the music of Richard Wagner for the special show he does – with not a word from me!! When he asked what music I was going to use for the Table Talk, he suggested: How about Wagner? So I did select a piece from Wagner that I like very much. In fact, up until that Saturday, April 12 show he’s so upset over, there was no trouble at all between us and I have the skype record to prove it. It came up suddenly, like a tornado destroying everything in its path.
Since we started Table Talk, NOT ONCE did Tan complain to me about anything to do with it. Not once! He was very friendly to Ray Goodwin, whom he knew nothing of, on our group show April 8, just one week prior to tonight.
What Tan says about me
Tan says I don’t like White people. But Tan has only talked ABOUT white issues. I have talked TO White people, White Nationalists of every kind. I deal with people and ideas … he only deals with ideas. Why? Because it’s Tan that doesn’t like dealing with people – White People! – he’s said so enough times. And everyone who’s hosted a show at TWN knows it and has felt it! Tan has never had a guest or taken a phone call.
Tan says I don’t like Slavs. He is suddenly upset about Slavs. Just recently he said to me that he thought Northern Europeans were the only truly White people, or maybe he said the best of the White people. I don’t want to misquote him. He thinks Greeks are not White. He prefers the Nordics. He has never stood up for Slavic people that I’ve ever heard, and I’ve talked to him a lot. So he’s only using this Slav thing to add to his attack on me. Many of the things he said were for this purpose. His recall of what I said about Eurasia was totally wrong. He said I “tie White Nationalism together with this Eurasian thing” and “she attributes [Eurasianism] to White Nationalism.” How so? He goes on, “Jobbik and Russian Nationalism are actually Eurasianism so that’s another reason that WN is bad.” ??? “But she just wants to find fault with WN so she’ll even throw in things that WN isn’t.” Really, when did I say all this? Tan is hearing what he wants to hear in order to make his case.
Tan said “One of the White Nationalists she’s thinking about is me.” I had not thought about him whatsoever during the April 12 show, or ever unless I am talking specifically about him. How does he know what I’m thinking? He doesn’t, that’s the answer. But now I realize something: Tan feels his credibility as a WN is fragile because of his wife and kids. He suddenly got the idea that I was going to destroy what credibility he has … and on purpose! That has to be it. He says he doesn’t care what people think, nothing bothers him, but it’s not true. And right there is his paranoia: that I am purposely trying to hurt him. I don’t feel my credibility is fragile, that’s why I can speak the way I do.
Tan said we’ve talked about this before, so I knew that I would be upsetting him. We talked about this on Saturday evening, April 12 after I finished posting my Saturday show – the one he’s upset about. That’s the only time. He took up at least an hour of my time accusing me of anti-White behavior and insisting he only wanted to understand why I was doing what I was doing – “trashing White people.” Previously, he had come on my comments section and attacked me there … then was offended that I didn’t like it. I sent this skype message to him on Friday at 5:57 pm:
[4/11/2014 5:57:26 PM] Carolyn Yeager: What I had in mind for Monday the 14th has fallen through. Would you like to come on with Kevin MacDonald? If so, what would you want the overall topic to be. If you say yes and give a topic, I’ll invite him [kmac]. …no answer …
[4/11/2014 6:56:45 PM] Carolyn Yeager: You know, Tan, I am not too happy about being grilled by you on my own program comments. It really seems you could speak to me privately before you go on the attack in public. … no answer …
[4/11/2014 7:02:37 PM] Carolyn Yeager: It always has connotations of being out of line as a woman. A woman can’t criticize men. But you let Franklin R. participate all these years [on your blog, I meant] without doing anything about it, and the first time I had an interaction with him, I outed him. Then you accuse me of committing some great sin of including him as a WN , as though being a Jew he can’t be that. We don’t know for a fact he is a Jew anyway. Why don’t you get some proof. … no answer ….
Next day …
[4/12/2014 3:21:33 PM] Tan Staafl: i dont understand why you let trolls get to you, or why you take the role theyre playing at face value, or why you turn that into a criticism of Whites or White men
[4/12/2014 3:24:34 PM] Tan Staafl: i dont think FR is a jew, i think its more complicated than that. even though he didnt identify himself as a WN you immediately directed your anger at him into yet another excuse to trash WN – im trying to understand what you’re criticizing, not attacking you
[4/12/2014 3:25:16 PM] Tan Staafl: i cant make monday
[4/12/2014 3:25:36 PM] Carolyn Yeager: Wrong, FR always presents himself as a WN and he did with me.
[4/12/2014 3:26:59 PM] Carolyn Yeager: He’s all over the Internet as a White Nationalist! Think about when you’d like to do something with KMac and the subject matter.
[4/12/2014 5:48:39 PM] Tan Staafl: got time to talk?
Tan was planning out his moves already. Supposedly giving me a chance to explain myself. I didn’t satisfy him, that is clear.
Tan says in his short blog that he thanks Hadding Scott and Ray Goodwin for their contribution to TWN, in that way putting himself in a position of having something to do with them. They are both friends of mine who I had as guests on previous programs, whom I invited to co-host a “Study Hour” of my own creation, something that Tan refused to participate in. He himself never brought a single person to TWN. He doesn’t like to be bothered with people, as I told you.
Finally, he puts the responsibility for the future availability of TWN archives solely onto ME, after he shut the whole place down!! … saying “what happens is Carolyn Yeager’s decision and responsibility.”
After he took the irresponsible and criminally unfair decision to shut me out of my own network, he now wants to make it appear that I am the bad one if I don’t continue to pay to keep it online as a memorial to his “work.” That really says it all about the devious Tanstaafl.
I could respond to more but I’ve done enough. Very sad day. I called it on Monday with the 4-14-14 numbers representing change, but didn’t know it would be so brutal. But there’s also a meaning of freedom involved in there too, and I do feel rather liberated today. I lived up to my end of the partnership in every way, but Tan’s behavior cannot be considered Aryan.
Carolyn attached the following comments to this melodrama-down.
carolyn Thu, 17/04/14
. . . I can assure you, I am not wrong and I did nothing wrong. It’s a farce to even consider it.
carolyn Fri, 18/04/14
. . .
Let me note briefly here, so I won’t forget to discuss it later, that Tanstaafl shut down TWN at a time it was showing an Alexa global ranking at 200,000 even — the best it had ever been. We were headed toward the 100,000 level, which is fantastic. This was a fews days before his momentous decision on his Tuesday, April 15 program. Why would he do such a thing – stop the momentum of TWN (he didn’t know at that time that Paul Hickman had left) – for some purist idea he developed about not allowing any critical thinking about “White Nationalism?”
Carolyn has always been more concerned about popularity (and Alexa ratings) than me.
I spent most of the 12th, 13th and 14th digesting what Carolyn had said and done, considering what my response would be. It wasn’t until after she told me that Paul had already decided to leave (on the 14th) that I finally settled on doing what I did, which took most of the 15th for me to record and write up.
carolyn Fri, 18/04/14
. . .
FYI, it was I who took down the website. Since I was closed out of it, I was not going to do any favors and take care of keeping it up, with the possibility of it starting up again without me. I’m not a doormat.
carolyn Fri, 18/04/14
Steve, I guess you could say Tan took the site down when he shut me out and declared there would be no more broadcasts, posts or comments. It became just a big archive of old stuff. Tan used his power because he could. But I had power too, so I used it – trransferring the domain name to my other server and then declaring I would not pay for TWN server anymore. He can bring most of the site back, but it won’t be the same.
carolyn Fri, 18/04/14
Bizarre and not understandable to me also, But little by little I am seeing a clearer picture. I know in time it will be explained.
carolyn Fri, 18/04/14
WWWM – it came right before our 2 year anniversary in May. We even had plans for it! Is this some attempt to inflict as much pain as possible?
carolyn Sat, 19/04/14
. . .
Tan’s thinking is starting to come clear to me. I think it is very simple. Tan thought I was criticizing “White Nationalism” too much and obviously didn’t think that I would stop, and it could get worse (though this last part he didn’t say to me). When I said I didn’t even want to talk about White Nationalism anymore, he didn’t like that either. Since he considered the skype interface software he had made to be his own property, rather than shared property of both of us as partners, he felt justified in simply making it unavailable to me. Cold, calculated and not wanting me to have a clue as to what he was going to do.
The finality of the language he used on his program and in his short blog told me he would not accept any mediation or have any change of mind. He even cut off the personal skype connection between us at the same time, designating there was nothing to talk about.
Those who think he was bothered by my outspoken views are wrong. He agreed with most of them. It was this White Nationalism thing with him.
carolyn Sat, 19/04/14
“I cant help but think that all of this has something to do with the Glenn Miller thing, even if it is unconscious.”
Maybe.
. . . [Carolyn quotes and comments here on something somebody else wrote at some other site – Tan]
If they come after me, I’ll tell them Tanstaafl has said I am not a White Nationalist! Go ask him, he’ll vouch for me.
carolyn Mon, 21/04/14
. . .
When someone needs to defend and spin their personal version of their motives for doing a dirty deed, honor goes out the window. We see it all the time.
Mirror, mirror on the wall, who’s spinning dirt most desperately of all?
carolyn Mon, 21/04/14
I had exactly the same thought a couple days ago. It’s like Tan is someone who is so sensitive to treason, he commits it himself! Thanks for this.
UPDATE 30 April 2014: Let the record show that Carolyn Yeager continues to try to utterly remove tWn from the internet.
From: Carolyn (warwo14@yahoo.com) This sender is in your contact list.
Sent: Tue 4/29/14 9:34 PM
To: ageoftreason@hotmail.com (ageoftreason@hotmail.com)Tanstaafl,
As I said to you on April 17 on your Age of Treason blog site, you do not have my permission to reproduce my work on your fake “white network” archive site.
Please be aware that I don’t give you permission to include my programs, my program posts or my blog posts on your read-only site. I will send you a formal communication about this.
4/17/2014 07:19:00 PMAs the registered owner of thewhitenetwork.com domain, I, Carolyn Yeager, can tell you that you do not represent The White Network, nor do you have any of the property rights of The White Network pertaining to radio mp3’s or writings produced for The White Network.
Having ownership of your own mp3’s and writings, you are free to reproduce them on a website with a domain name different than “thewhitenetwork.com”. Others who have produced work at thewhitenetwork.com can give you permission to reproduce their own work. But I, Carolyn Yeager, do not give you that permission to use my intellectual property for your own purposes.
I request that you take down the site, remove all intellectual property produced by me, get a new domain name (perhaps Age of Treason Radio.com) and then put up your new site. If I don’t receive a reply to his email from you within the next 36 hours, I will send a complaint to 1and1.com.
Yours truly,
Carolyn Yeager
UPDATE 30 April 2014 #2: My response to Carolyn Yeager.
From: Tan Staafl (ageoftreason@hotmail.com)
Sent: Wed 4/30/14 11:43 PM
To: Carolyn Yeager (warwo14@yahoo.com)Carolyn Yeager,
In a gesture of good will and in an effort to comply with the spirit of your request (via email 29 April 2014), on my site “thewhitenetwork-archive.com” I have redacted the contents of pages authored by you and have removed the MP3 files for programs you hosted (hereafter, “TWN-MP3s”). This action does not mean that I accept or agree with any of your ownership claims concerning the White network (hereafter, “tWn”).
You are hereby notified that tWn was a product of my software and, as such, is my work product. This includes all files, audio or otherwise, including but not limitted to TWN-MP3s and tWn logos. Furthermore, I reserve the right to restrict the use of all TWN-MP3s containing my likeness, specifically my voice. If you make further claims upon my time I will seek to restrict your use of TWN-MP3s and any other part of my work product, at “carolynyeager.net” or anywhere else.
You are the registered owner of the domain name “thewhitenetwork.com”, which has been paid for using donations to support tWn, my work product. You have no authority to dictate who does or does not “represent The White Network” or to determine “any of the property rights of The White Network”.
Though I do not require your permission to use my work product, the full context of your 4/17/2014 07:19:00 PM comment (at http://age-of-treason.blogspot.com/2014/04/twn-end.html) makes it clear that you gave your consent to my reconstructing tWn under a different domain name:
“On the server, I knew Tan had the site backed up. So now he has some work to do to reconstruct it. Good. Let him work. And let him get himself a server … and a new domain name. There was no reason for me to continue providing for him. His paranoid conjectures that I closed the server in order to “delete the site forever” is wrong, since I understand back-ups. I don’t want to make it easy for Tan, as he has certainly made it difficult for me, in addition to playing so dirty against me. He makes himself out to be a hero here on his Blog, but any impartial observer who knew the facts would not agree.”
Sincerely,
Tanstaafl
UPDATE 1 May 2014: Some posts in calendar-based archive pages with a mixture of authors were improperly redacted. This unintentional oversight has now been fixed.
UPDATE 20 May 2014: More demands from Carolyn.
From: Carolyn (warwo14@yahoo.com) This sender is in your contact list.
Sent: Mon 5/19/14 6:55 PM
To: ageoftreason@hotmail.com (ageoftreason@hotmail.com); warwo14@yahoo.com (warwo14@yahoo.com)
To Tanstaafl:
I noticed today that you have uploaded some of my The Heretics’ Hour radio programs to your new Age of Treason blogsite. Not only are my show mp3s available on your website, but the programs posts I wrote and the images I selected are there as well. According to The White Network policy you agreed to and which was posted on TWN front page for a long time, this content is my property.
Policy
The content presented at this web site thewhitenetwork.com is the sole property of the program host and/or writer and The White Network. All rights reserved.
Since The White Network is dissolved and belongs to no one, these programs belong solely to me, the program host. I demand you remove all my intellectual property from your website immediately.
Yours truly,
Carolyn Yeager
I will not heed or make any direct response to this egomaniac’s demands, but I will take the opportunity, since I’m here to update this record anyway, to add a few relevant notes.
I have not uploaded any Heretics’ Hour radio programs to Age of Treason. Carolyn is probably referring to links in a few older blog posts which originally pointed to thewhitenetwork.com, which she broke when she redirected the DNS for that domain to carolynyeager.net and then shut down the server. One of the benefits of moving my blog from Blogger to a new dedicated server was that it was easy for me to change all those broken thewhitenetwork.com links to point at thewhitenetwork-archive.com instead.
thewhitenetwork-archive.com doesn’t serve the radio program files she’s complaining about either – I fixed it to simply redirect all such links to the files on her own site. Here are the web server directives I use:
RedirectMatch ^/data/audio/tWn_The_Heretics_Hour_20130520.mp3 http://thewhitenetwork-archive.com/tWn_The_Heretics_Hour_20130520.mp3
RedirectMatch ^/data/audio/(tWn_The_Heretics_Hour_.*) http://carolynyeager.net/system/files/$1
RedirectMatch ^/data/audio/(tWn_Hitlers_Table_Talk_Study_Hour_.*) http://carolynyeager.net/system/files/$1
RedirectMatch ^/data/audio/(tWn_Saturday_Afternoon_with_Carolyn_Yeager_.*) http://carolynyeager.net/system/files/$1
RedirectMatch ^/data/audio/(tWn_The_International_Jew_Study_Hour_.*) http://carolynyeager.net/system/files/$1
The one exception (http://thewhitenetwork-archive.com/tWn_The_Heretics_Hour_20130520.mp3) is the file for a program that was hosted by Hadding Scott, who contacted me via email to request that I make it available, ironically because Carolyn does not host it on her own site.
As easy as it was for me to fix my broken links, it would be even easier for Carolyn Yeager to fix all the links she broke, everywhere on the internet at once. All she has to do is change the DNS for thewhitenetwork.com to point at thewhitenetwork-archive.com. But of course, the whole point of her breaking the links in the first place was to cause harm – to make it difficult for anyone to get to any of tWn’s content, including the portions which she had no hand in producing.
I reject Carolyn’s assertion that, “The White Network is dissolved and belongs to no one”, but note the contrast with the assertions she made in her previous email. Her increasingly lame rationale for making demands convinces me that I made the right decision to end our partnership. I have never disavowed my interest in the White network and have no intention to ever do so. I am gratified however that Carolyn continues to demonstrate that she was interested in tWn only to the extent she thought it served her personally. That is, after all, exactly why I ended the partnership.
Speaking of what belongs to who, I’ll call here once again for Carolyn to make a full accounting for the tWn funds she managed.
I’ve registered an account at Metapedia and explained why there. See also: The White Network, Talk:The_White_Network, and User_talk:Tanstaafl.
UPDATE 28 June 2014: I figured out how to alter the redaction code so that a post’s podcast player and download links (if present) will be visible. The MP3 links still redirect to carolynyeager.net, which serves all the data, but this way if someone ends up at a whitenetwork-archive.com page it will be less broken for them.
UPDATE 25 Aug 2015: I reject Carolyn Yeager’s “Offer”.
UPDATE 9 Sep 2015: More egomanaical whining from Carolyn:
It is a time-consuming labor, but worth the effort to me. I want those who wrote comments to my shows to have them visible where people will actually see them. I will begin next on The Heretics’ Hour, and end with The International Jew Study Hour. I’ll just point out here that I produced 278 radio shows totaling 463 hours for The White Network. That contrasts to Tanstaafl’s 97 radio shows totaling only 48.5 hours, meaning I did 10 times the program hours that he did! So what gave him the idea it belonged to him and he could shut it down?
Some of you might know that I tried to cooperate with Tanstaafl on making his TWN-archive complete, but he rudely refused my offer. Thereupon, I blocked his access to my audio programs and am in the process of making carolynyeager.net complete instead !
I’ll just point out here that she only has to do this comment-copying because she refused the offer I made, which was to freeze the site I had built and maintained but leave it online. Instead she chose to delete it, forever as far as she was concerned. Now she’s “stealing” from the archive she was hoping I couldn’t reconstruct and has since tried to delete. Anyone who only listens to her would never know this. They also wouldn’t know that in her rush to shut off the original server she deleted not only my reason for locking her out but all the programs that she had nothing at all to do with producing, which unlike “her” programs had no other home on the internet. Even now she places no value whatsoever on any of this other work.
I not only spent hours of my life writing the software she used to record “her” tWn programs, I was also physically present, monitoring the recording of almost every single hour she takes all the credit for producing. On several occasions there were software/connection problems and I spent more hours of my life skyping her and her guests and editing “her” audio files. She never helped me or anyone else in any comparable fashion, and of course she places no value on any of this work either.
Carolyn has always focused on quantity. My preference has always been for quality. She told me once that she liked to have guests because that made it much easier for her. At the time (and perhaps even still) I was her most frequent guest – 3 times at VoR and 13 on tWn – maybe 20-25 hours total. I never counted how many hours I put into my own program, on-air, but I take her word for it that it was only about twice what I spent being a guest on “her” program.
I understand that in her mind the entire network was all about her – but that’s just not the reality. In comparing raw on-air hours as she does she’s not only neglecting the hours I spent, but also takes ALL the credit for the hours every other host and guest and collaborator spent working on “her” content.
This is my experience with Carolyn Yeager. Maybe others will learn something from it. I know I did.
In taking deliberate action to block access to redirects from the archive site Carolyn has made it plain that the podcasts she has so long either stupidly or mendaciously insisted I’m “stealing” were merely links redirected to files on her own site, just as I explained long ago. I am not surprised that she provides no acknowledgement of her error.
Her purpose is vindictive. Her true desire is to interfere with the proper functioning of the archive site in whatever way she is able. It took extra effort for me to add the redirects only because she disapproved of this server hosting the mp3 files directly. Now it has taken her and some unfortunate minion extra effort to ensure the redirects don’t work. And now that she’s invalidated her own “copyright infringement” pretext I fully expect her to simply dream up another.
UPDATE 22 Jul 2016: Paul Hickman’s content has been redacted at his request.
UPDATE 6 Nov 2017: Paul Hickman has died. I have unredacted Paul content, at my own discretion, in the interest of making his able work at tWn accessible once again to his friends and compatriots. Paul had originally requested via email that I take his work offline out of concern for his employment. This is obviously no longer a concern.
UPDATE 24 Jan 2019: The previous change only restored the text of Paul’s posts, not the mp3 links. That oversight has been fixed and the mp3 links work now.
