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Perhaps what we should be debating is a National Socialist type party and not revisionism. Revisionism is extremely important but it seems National Socialism is the real fear. I’m thinking about Haider’s murder.
Vincent is fantastic!! A present day Celine.
The Freiheitspartei Österreich to which Joerg Haider belonged was not National-Socialist but National-Liberal. National-Liberalism in Germany and Austria dates back to 1848. National-Liberalism is much closer than National-Socialism to an American conservative way of thinking.
FPÖ was not ruined with the death of Haider. Here are political advertisements by Haider’s energetic successor, Hainz-Christian Strache. http://youtu.be/M5svVZeuhpk
http://youtu.be/pVnzYs4HYBQ
But Hadding my point remains because Haider was saying things like, “the Waffen SS were decent people of good character”, the concentration camps were “punishment camps”, he praised Hitler’s economic reforms, and he spoke out against immigration and EU expansion (though he hadn’t yet tackled the holohoax – a bridge too far at that time perhaps). In other words he spoke of truth the other name for reality and so did the National Socialist. He was bring the people on board and apparently they didn’t think they could corrupt him so off with his head. In practical terms his platform may have been the closest to NS one could reasonably expect to get at the time.
It’s sooo typical that after his death the mole comes out and claims to be his gay lover, Stefan Petzner, as reported by the dailymail (what else). Just another Nazi/skinhead shooting scenario,… they’re set ups. McCarthy had Cohen to discredit him.
Historically the right-wing has been infiltrated if not delibrately set up but there are good people interested in the truth on the right (I happen to be one of them and I believe Carolyn is) so we won’t give up.
niqnaq says:
August 19, 2012 at 9:26 am
Helvena, there seems to me to be an organisational continuity between the 20% of the KKK which was FBI in the 1960s, and the 20% of the European hard right that was undercover police in the 1980s. The only single person who seems to surface again and again in every single large ‘unified’ network, first in post-WW2 Germany, then in the US, and then in Europe, is Otto Ernst Remer. If he was an undercover US agent, that would explain it all. His reputation throughout the global right wing was absolutely godlike.
helvena says:
August 19, 2012 at 11:35 am
Of course it’s possible that Remer was dirty but that doesn’t make the ideas he betrayed wrong, it only postpones their realization. The same can be said for the true Left. As you have said before there is a coming together of the far right and far left because they both want truth/reality. It’s the only way we can live as thinking people.
niqnaq says:
August 19, 2012 at 11:44 am
I think it must be widely agreed by now that Evola sold out to NATO, and dealt with his young Italian recruits accordingly: he directed them into urban guerrilla groups that he knew were controlled by NATO intelligence, either not telling them, or ‘initiating’ them privately and convincing them that compared with communism this was the lesser of two evils. So the same may be true of Remer. But publicly, they disagreed with each other about the possibility of allying with the USSR against the US, Remer admitting the possibility and Evola rejecting it.
http://niqnaq.wordpress.com/2012/08/18/i-think-i-have-always-made-it-clear-that-imo-the-end-of-apartheid-was-purely-cosmetic/#comment-37590
A bit more grist for the mill:
Admiration for Hitler’s policies
Goodson, who earned R360 000 last year for his services to the bank, more than R70 000 for each of the five meetings he attended, holds contentious views that include admiring the economic policies pursued by Hitler in Nazi Germany, a belief that international bankers financed and manipulated the war against Hitler because they saw his model of state capitalism as a threat to their usurious ways, and that the Holocaust was a fiction invented to extract vast amounts of compensation from the defeated Germans.
http://mg.co.za/article/2012-04-13-reserve-banks-holocaust-denier
I went ahead and posted this, Helvena, but I don’t see the point of the niqnaq part. The idea of Otto Ernst Remer being an undercover US agent is ridiculous to me. Please give some backup, maybe some sources, for Remer’s “betrayal.” I also don’t think it obvious, as you apparently do, that Haider was murdered. Nor do I see what any of this has to do with what Vincent Reynouard said on the program.
This post doesn’t have anything to do with Reynouard who as I mentioned earlier I think is great. I posted it in response to Hadding and I went off on a bit of a tangent because although the Freiheitspartei Österreich still exists it doesn’t have the sizzle it had under Haider who in my opinion could have taken the party well into the mainstream.
The ordinary person tends to the right (for lack of a better, more descriptive word), so the fact that right leaning parties never quite get critical mass tells me that something is going on. I added the NIQNAQ bit because it seems relevant as a possible reason for the lack of progress. Whether or not Otto is clean or not wasn’t my point, it was just to say that the right is important enough (to try) to be controlled by our enemies (operation Gladio). Sometimes I don’t think we fully grasp this.
I really like what Hadding said the other day on the INJHour, “People always think you are telling them the truth when you tell them what they already believe.” I take that to heart.
Thanks Carolyn for letting me explain myself. This is one of the reasons I think you are what you say you are, all of which I respect.
It doesn’t seem relevant to me. If it wasn’t your point, why use it? Do you have any reason to believe that Otto Remer was a turncoat? Or do you just repeat what someone else says? Adding this back and forth exchange with niqnaq is an example of ways we can be “controlled” on comment boards like this. I’m leaving it up as an example to discuss. I trust you, too, Helvena, but am really bothered by unverified information being casually mentioned, and also “piling on” type of comments (not something you do).
I have rejected three comments in the last two days from people who had already commented here without difficulty. Two of these persons emailed me to ask me why. The reason: what they wrote was a casual comment(s) with no clear direction. I want to remind people that this is not a free-speech zone where anything goes. Consider what you’re saying and make a meaningful point. The White Network has enemies — Carolyn Yeager has more enemies all the time — and I don’t want to allow these enemies to use our website against us. I am not going to cut offending portions out of someone’s comment, so I have to disallow the whole thing. And I don’t have time to explain to people why. If they would think about it, they could probably figure it out themselves. Thanks.
Carolyn,
To smear Otto Remer seems to me more than a little disgusting. If anyone has not read his 1951 published “20. Juli 1944”, (leider nur auf Deutsch), I would be happy to upload it wherever it might be wanted.
Until persuaded otherwise niqnaq is more likely to be the dirty party.
niqnaq says:
From niqnaq, August 19, 2012 at 11:57 am
A nation or race is no different than a sexual preference or a hair style?
A little more on Otto Ernst Remer seems in order. From his activities and associations, I sure don’t get a picture of anything questionable. This is from Wikipedia:
Later years
He returned to Germany in the 1980s, creating the German Freedom Movement which advocated a reunified country and the expulsion of NATO. It was an umbrella organisation for 23 underground Nazi organisations and allowed Remer the opportunity to create a new generation of followers.
From 1991 to 1994, Remer put out his own publication, the Remer-Depesche. Remer was sentenced to 22 months of imprisonment in October 1992, for writing and publishing a number of articles that were said to incite “racial hatred”, through their questioning of the Holocaust. The political impact of this case upon the government is discussed in Searle’s Wehrmacht Generals (Wehrmacht Generals, West German Society, and the Debate on Rearmament, 1949-1959 by Alaric Searle. Praeger Pub., Westport, Conn.). His complaint over alleged violations of fairness of trial and freedom of speech was unanimously rejected by the European Commission on Human Rights. He filed numerous appeals, and eventually fled to Spain, prior to his actually being incarcerated.
Exile and death
In February 1994, Remer went into exile in Spain, in a successful effort to avoid imprisonment for his controversial public statements about the Holocaust. Remer was an avid supporter of studies by key individuals in Holocaust denial, such as Fred Leuchter and Germar Rudolf.
The high court of Spain ruled against appeals made by the German government to extradite Remer, claiming that he had not committed any crime under Spanish law. He remained a wanted man in Germany until his 1997 death in Marbella at (age) 85.